From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBC0zvndBBoE1In6tg@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 08 16:31:26 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O01Bx-0004rf-Qx for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:31:26 -0700 Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5sf2509329vws.16 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:31:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ryRWtxKVdGspHxTS+zKujSxvkuspuEV/DD1juXjEf6E=; b=WdXh6jUiC0pC5sBFpU0UWRLO79a/hBB9bmgZH2IOfL/y9nodfk1sb9u+9w25dDfnW5 jNpKgrkTRZ65sca0Qmxo/L4LWmng5Vbv/s/v5GKaZ2XNpFT9tsWR8De2ti/86CSbIm4N Wd2EAx74j9pCb6/NEFepQnwaim2ZLrE5CxM78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GfGLgM1FgY6XZ9UgjNXzunj+34L2CbXxwQOEHNgdFnjLm+5T2ac/P7Zx1kKEltIL/3 rK6TWzb2Bat72vfMtzC4Z2M6qQtbxseOxRQlEQZQK0MY/AlK+9Su8kIWi/kXKSdR4e5N wBorf9e1gk2UHywKaeYgrbtI4MHXws+3pLBTE= Received: by 10.220.127.15 with SMTP id e15mr65219vcs.53.1270769460929; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.79.85 with SMTP id o21ls275735vck.0.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.73.204 with SMTP id r12mr216048vcj.29.1270769459532; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.110.12 with SMTP id n12mr620484agm.12.1270745521899; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.110.12 with SMTP id n12mr620478agm.12.1270745521851; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si25170ywh.1.2010.04.08.09.52.01; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.48; Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100408165202.LLTH26523.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:52:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 34s11e0012hfrC6024s1LU; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:52:01 -0400 X-VR-Score: -80.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lL4dQe6A0XfTYzqIbzpq/h+TkgPEjAvcHnuEPneVQrQ= c=1 sm=1 a=bscEhxICt5MA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=_zAdyR3UP6HpuAKPOGQA:9 a=K7S3eT6T2O6uMfjnnukA:7 a=5zW1nwDN8gLOAyYlvpGSNhgqITMA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BBE0999.3060101@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:51:37 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Yet Another Tangent: my first cmavo definition References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oren wrote: > An illustration of my confusion: >=20 > [from the original baseline statement, ] > "The final baseline of the lexicon, and electronic publication of the > dictionary is scheduled for 30 June 1997, approximately 6 months from > now. Lexical items used in the reference grammar are of course frozen > by the current publication and baselining of that document. >=20 > The major purposes for the 6 month delay are >=20 > - to provide an opportunity to verify the dictionary text for > consistency with the rest of the baseline; >=20 > - to standardize and clarify incomplete definitions of cmavo and lujvo.= =93 >=20 > No one seems to disagree with the notion that the job needs to get > done. In that case, the poll seems to be a false choice:=20 which is why I said "yes and no" > I guess the real question is, after 13 years, how do we make this > happen. Robin's essay includes some new nomenclature, but no > fundamental refutation of the current policy; he and others appear to > be saying that by reaffirming the BPFK's authoritative role in > proscribing proper lojban, things will fall into place. If that is all that is needed, Robin has the authority as jatna to=20 implement much of his proposal, in particular that which pertains to the=20 period before "the job gets done". When he can certify that "the job is done", the members will=20 (presumably) approve a new baseline, and it becomes more appropriate to=20 debate what happens then (preferably in Lojban, a sentiment that Robin=20 hearkens to himself). If the membership thinks that the 5 year freeze promised in the baseline=20 statement is too long, or simply wrong, they can and will amend it very=20 simply as part of the new baseline declaration that will supplant the=20 existing statement. The current statement itself indicates that there=20 will be decisions made at that time about the post-baseline role of the=20 "rump-byfy" > It was supposed to take six months back when you still introduced the > WWW by its full name (read the original announcement). Now we have a > wiki and several hundred subscribers to the English mailing list. > Let's get the cmavo definitions done. Here, I just tried one, someone > check it for me. >=20 > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Attitudinal+Modifiers#Proposed_D= efinition_of_be_u Without actually looking at it (I'm trying to empty my Lojban mailbox=20 for once right now), Robin has my encouragement to promote more such=20 efforts under his existing authority. lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.