From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEIvm-d0EGgSeLm8A@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 08 17:21:57 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O01yp-0007lM-Sl for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:21:56 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf843407pwi.16 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:21:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=nrQpeE6kZPkocD9XrK830urhjO2ldPPRiHRrYG9P+FQ=; b=mTw5OT6JcLKJb62Qz9kArgT1AC/a2wF5kzccg3gQvXTy6Vh+dYxiZeiGZ0PxYEyBMS gPhUCarloex0pDjG0EAM72EG5s67064XPvQUFiG6aj7oAHxbtmRC0S/3RwHqdILIxyMO czE5/aFlII98a91JLMZJ8jVpZTzb/eNlk9qnc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=38nAngLdW4Oaxy2aDP1jAhoayyIHHcunok1Xad4d4WOOyydvzM18RImIFHror3IKD+ a+93X9XlnoFi8dNYtrGAOrdbj8SCTw/Mss0BHPsuvhfHjuXHOF5mqTRpQ+YuxZjC86jU AgMM6iH6k+YIk7LrVpHVrXO4Pb7vXC26byOIg= Received: by 10.142.118.27 with SMTP id q27mr68026wfc.21.1270772491158; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:21:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.8.28 with SMTP id 28ls3241wfh.0.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.129.7 with SMTP id g7mr151017wfn.27.1270772489055; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.129.7 with SMTP id g7mr151016wfn.27.1270772489034; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si117572pzk.11.2010.04.08.17.21.28; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.9; Received: (qmail 2832 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 00:21:28 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2010 00:21:28 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O01yR-0007l9-RA for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:21:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:21:27 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. Message-ID: <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBC3CE4.6080803@lojban.org> <4BBDECA2.5000500@lojban.org> <4BBE0713.6030903@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/dc62a32125e884d5 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline (the rest of what you said did not seem to need a reply from me) On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 12:02:35PM -0600, Sean Patrick Santos wrote: > Third, your goal number three seems to me to be badly phrased. I > don't think it's a virtue for lojban to be unlike other languages. > Actually, that's a bad thing because that makes it harder to use. > What I think you meant is that lojban should not be too closely > intertwined with any single language or language family, to the > extent that it becomes more distant from other widely-spoken > languages (or more succinctly, lojban should avoid a heavy > cultural bias). Acutally, no, I meant exactly what I said: Lojban was formed to test the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, and while that's largely irrelevant to me, it *is* important to me, and many other people, that Lojban is not like any natural languages in a lot of respects. Makes it all mind-stretching and stuff. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.