From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRD27_ndBBoEbpZ0sg@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 08 17:42:57 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O02J9-0000Zx-Qb for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:42:57 -0700 Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5sf2543599vws.16 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:42:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=2mn/8PsTUVtYZqF5t27yQnUqFEhnZ08Hy2S2vih1wXo=; b=ya0p7UehgVJCuImXkc8wIAVUlWwFPM+nr83kBh898v1ZtROu5Ch19+RjaY4C1HbjZ1 4b2RdjRrkLxwWvbKDw/bScr4/Kmlz9WDlfisZ+KMu3YHn9KHp1BzF8u1y7IL4a35e2RI 7s5vPB5t+qCLOvIcnd0spNqrBIDu/fKjuofk4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=nxOXvnVOar2jFgsL9kizFLzjk1/lS2QzfxZg3++IWgDzbsFq8R69ZJsY2wCBHnGDxp b8qglGvlKfAi9FC1ilQqSoGY+b2BQCFHezRHmc7cPOYFKDPrWrZnSqtisvBEO49b7iB+ du5VdujdBkyggnJFOgejpVawE6UFNObnrxrwg= Received: by 10.220.107.165 with SMTP id b37mr68128vcp.21.1270773750969; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:42:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.174.133 with SMTP id t5ls5079vcz.2.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.74.69 with SMTP id t5mr239913vcj.14.1270773749317; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.74.69 with SMTP id t5mr239911vcj.14.1270773749272; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 34si1603208vws.3.2010.04.08.17.42.28; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.122 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.122; Received: (qmail 23830 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2010 00:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <596709.21996.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: znlHEm0VM1lIspoiUkji3NylN4Xcj7_Tc5mh6DRdMghIwTp j84m_85CMpB1tQMHYRXDKIj6fZ12npIJXeiCw_4Wj06Op2TZd1._YKPPxWTG snj6BlRATca7qDIE55sVp2qVn8QW4K4BjVbz_FrbMPrBZvxIUm5bdne1UmnF JFmiU_g5hOQ8n0Pv6m6JHRk8n4Jjq.wIguLyr9_CounoiBxjz.srJH7712X3 ugVWJ.2SI6umNSJ7OqUPUDoh8cOgFzm4GqQmgteGODeAEaAk2ExAxiR2UUJI zHHHWKniIeiHt_AxNvMjH0SPZu3sdptl6T9gOsH2vLF3sOoMlQ.dVjVAEcY3 FfueUhsFIjAnYA7WHOO7qhd.5_w-- Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:42:28 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/324.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBC3CE4.6080803@lojban.org> <4BBDECA2.5000500@lojban.org> <4BBE0713.6030903@lojban.org> <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.122 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/253d414663f44851 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Alas, Loglan/Lojban is still hopelessly SAE and so useless as far as SWH is concerned. I thought that goal had died eons ago in favor of being sorta logical (whatever that may mean) and being uniquely parsible for the machines, our masters. ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 7:21:27 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. (the rest of what you said did not seem to need a reply from me) On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 12:02:35PM -0600, Sean Patrick Santos wrote: > Third, your goal number three seems to me to be badly phrased. I > don't think it's a virtue for lojban to be unlike other languages. > Actually, that's a bad thing because that makes it harder to use. > What I think you meant is that lojban should not be too closely > intertwined with any single language or language family, to the > extent that it becomes more distant from other widely-spoken > languages (or more succinctly, lojban should avoid a heavy > cultural bias). Acutally, no, I meant exactly what I said: Lojban was formed to test the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, and while that's largely irrelevant to me, it *is* important to me, and many other people, that Lojban is not like any natural languages in a lot of respects. Makes it all mind-stretching and stuff. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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