From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhDmwPrdBBoE1ZL0BQ@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 08 20:35:28 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0508-0003Fc-67 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:35:28 -0700 Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5sf2640329vws.16 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:35:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=fCubTTld9Fx7BMg1CvrF7oyKCuOMy5rIAxwP/mTcM2I=; b=i3hX9yYs0WdPsPOOQYnmWdqIsCtqczKe+BGK6tnXFes3G5DW64QUXWEJ0VFxV6oyFb fHr8I1bWi9dyHTTfQr7Ib+u0LvwAbX96Q5Y3pxY+jlF0VO1WodfbnBziJEJk6XvMT6pT eq9qsdG4YkLehCpaEQna40PIYYJx27+btnaCQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=zQvn3WXhyxenzjEj9CQUN8LRR2S2fL8gp3Lr/stYxirKNT5mBlWCsLYQEUb2M8l6UX DAjAvJYmTazoJjaBD/CcjyOf9YbNXdhJhVnVk8g0TOO8EvR8e3TMlIkZPs05MO40LeGN cY56ACvoWE12DG7S/nfwlvGhJAABTJ1MMte7U= Received: by 10.220.50.28 with SMTP id x28mr88634vcf.20.1270784102655; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:35:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.174.133 with SMTP id t5ls31317vcz.2.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.85 with SMTP id h21mr267898vcy.12.1270784101467; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.85 with SMTP id h21mr267897vcy.12.1270784101425; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f196.google.com (mail-yx0-f196.google.com [209.85.210.196]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1956446vws.0.2010.04.08.20.35.00; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.196; Received: by yxe34 with SMTP id 34so416354yxe.8 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:35:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.126.14 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 20:34:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Stela Selckiku Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:34:40 -0400 Received: by 10.100.25.9 with SMTP id 9mr1661127any.46.1270784100182; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Yet Another Tangent: my first cmavo definition To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/db7f825f58124ec4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/105cb71bd63883e0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Oren wrote: > Let's get the cmavo definitions done. Here, I just tried one, someone > check it for me. > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Attitudinal+Modifiers#Proposed_Definition_of_be_u > > co'o mi'e korbi Thanks for your effort, la korbi, but I'm afraid your definition is wrong! :( What's indicated by "be'u" isn't a lack of an emotion, but that the emotion is caused by or has to do with lacking something else. For instance ".oi be'u" means not a lack of pain, but rather pain because of the lack of something. Here's the relevant part of the CLL: ******* ******* The cmavo ``be'u'' expresses, roughly speaking, whether the emotion it modifies is in response to something you don't have enough of, something you have enough of, or something you have too much of. It is more or less the attitudinal equivalent of the subjective quantifier cmavo ``mo'a'', ``rau'', and ``du'e'' (these belong to selma'o PA, and are discussed in Chapter 18). For example, 7.8) .uiro'obe'unai [Yay!] [physical] [Enough!] might be something you say after a large meal which you enjoyed. Like all modifiers, ``be'u'' can be used alone: 7.9) le cukta be'u cu zvati ma The book [Needed!] is at-location [what sumti?] Where's the book? --- I need it! ******* ******* mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.