From lojban+bncCJGY6cDlFhCdzfrdBBoE35AKqA@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 08 21:02:07 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f140.google.com ([209.85.210.140]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O05Pt-00059y-5Y for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:02:07 -0700 Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4sf1345476yxe.28 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:01:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gro9UMiI6KXATZJOSBjxgJmeK8g6XYodIEhbh4wp0D4=; b=FfwavvTSUF0Woaxlb43zD6EBO2WFUTb0ts0zs9FAPg/kXX077O8zLgy/Fn38tu3G6T e9n2ftGiPs3ttIiYej30WCknNQLl2SKpdaDiGMsNIlki4gnhO0v4U12/MFv7rZanq5T7 CIl37ZDkaVLmV5AZYu6Y2Rf0659i4ErPCy57o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=x0MZlqOCsQoaDWiJtjpWBTXbchfsN0cnmqUb/43CLMOp8uodihE+idylHrASga5brm X7X6ns7n2fXMye9YmKLYK98vk3K3Pb7m+ZVy4zifm37oSA5n2gHCiexYO3aunSVX1hTG bIjnoxyEUhjVPO5qebhyJLXfUcONwk78JIqYk= Received: by 10.90.62.19 with SMTP id k19mr183506aga.25.1270785693188; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.41.209 with SMTP id p17ls14297ebe.1.p; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.42.6 with SMTP id q6mr93361ebe.25.1270785691440; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.42.6 with SMTP id q6mr93360ebe.25.1270785691404; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f200.google.com (mail-pz0-f200.google.com [209.85.222.200]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 12si45654ewy.6.2010.04.08.21.01.29; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.200 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.222.200; Received: by pzk38 with SMTP id 38so1232563pzk.25 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:01:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.109.10 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:01:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Oren Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:01:09 +0800 Received: by 10.142.1.29 with SMTP id 29mr647734wfa.337.1270785689149; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Yet Another Tangent: my first cmavo definition To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.200 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/db7f825f58124ec4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/2d4c6610b5b471e9 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So... how many of the remaining cmavo can be completed just by adapting CLL references? Is the wiki even up to date? I want to hold someone accountable, but have no idea where to look. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Checkpoints On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:34, Stela Selckiku wrote: > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Oren wrote: >> Let's get the cmavo definitions done. Here, I just tried one, someone >> check it for me. >> >> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Attitudinal+Modifiers#Proposed_= Definition_of_be_u >> >> co'o mi'e korbi > > > Thanks for your effort, la korbi, but I'm afraid your definition is wrong= ! :( > > What's indicated by "be'u" isn't a lack of an emotion, but that the > emotion is caused by or has to do with lacking something else. =A0For > instance ".oi be'u" means not a lack of pain, but rather pain because > of the lack of something. > > Here's the relevant part of the CLL: > > > ******* > ******* > > The cmavo ``be'u'' expresses, roughly speaking, whether the emotion it > modifies is in response to something you don't have enough of, > something you have enough of, or something you have too much of. It is > more or less the attitudinal equivalent of the subjective quantifier > cmavo ``mo'a'', ``rau'', and ``du'e'' (these belong to selma'o PA, and > are discussed in Chapter 18). For example, > > 7.8) =A0.uiro'obe'unai > =A0 =A0[Yay!] [physical] [Enough!] > > might be something you say after a large meal which you enjoyed. > > Like all modifiers, ``be'u'' can be used alone: > > 7.9) =A0le cukta be'u cu zvati ma > =A0 =A0The book [Needed!] is at-location [what sumti?] > =A0 =A0Where's the book? --- I need it! > > ******* > ******* > > > mi'e la stela selckiku > mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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