From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCp8fzdBBoERkUIJQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 07:25:10 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f137.google.com ([209.85.211.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0F8o-0005gR-MV for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:25:10 -0700 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf418720ywh.28 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Etk18BsnUcZsVsPhxR1sU+fRLgCqj4/uH5qNVLVzeJA=; b=jIbTdDNG4eBjCM5JsoRe+leHpT4ydjEf1ZoiHJN3j3UaYFu/+2KtqRL76cG2yLLjlE 3x4BQj+f8bakp2j62XhILVgE5zp/H7nZB1smLcQ0hzykX+SazIuM9V9hd1ic3UapcsNb 7s2tcAf8e6qmmFbnOXsu2OcGg+MMgvR8LymG4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Ix4X+6RUCuXfETqkBTBeErvH+exMxVjOfijyavYevaM3J1whdVqGaKd4tnOhm7Bybj l7HTJi5k5GkBWwiYn+45JqHhMPyL/nvKDK8AgterM+mmcraJ9Q17+k0TLbe9FUc7zAp8 HPtP9yrPIE3FRR8XoBPD1DzKBtvOs1WxaIiMs= Received: by 10.151.89.10 with SMTP id r10mr18977ybl.31.1270823081284; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:24:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.87 with SMTP id 23ls278381bky.0.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.16.81 with SMTP id n17mr10301bka.31.1270823078849; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.16.81 with SMTP id n17mr10300bka.31.1270823078811; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f174.google.com (mail-wy0-f174.google.com [74.125.82.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e24si1476343bke.2.2010.04.09.07.24.37; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.174; Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39so422918wyb.33 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:24:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.146 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 07:24:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:24:37 -0600 Received: by 10.216.172.71 with SMTP id s49mr54012wel.195.1270823077406; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Tangent the second: ASCII From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/d319d5cadc183c24 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/d20a8adf9356fc4e Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65c7caa19e7c40483ce8ed7 --0016e65c7caa19e7c40483ce8ed7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Regarding the special font only: The CLL uses a different font for Lojban than for English. For example: Chapter 6, section 1: If you understand anything about Lojban, you know what a sumti is by now, right? An argument, one of those things that fills the places of simple Lojban sentences like: 1.1) mi klama le zarci I go-to the market If you wanted to write Lojban and some other language in the same document, I would suggest using that practice. That said, while I am not *against* using diacritic marking instead of capitals, that is pretty much the extent of my non-ASCII in Lojban acceptance. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Jim Carter wrote: > On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Christopher Doty wrote: > > I'm wondering how closely tied people are to the idea that, if a >> hypothetical thing happened where Lojban got, say, tone, it should stick >> with ASCII-only characters? I realize there was a good reason for this in >> the past, but I have trouble seeing a reasoning for it now. Just >> wondering >> how people feel about that now that Unicode has become the standard? >> ASCII >> is synonymous with "old-fashioned computing" to me, so just curious. >> > > I've had no end of trouble getting my desktop environment to load a compose > table that includes the accented characters I use and provides them to all > my applications. Thus I would prefer to minimize the use of non-ASCII > characters. But I like the aesthetics of the accents. > > Someone else suggested a font in which upper case glyphs were similar to > lower case but with an accent. That sounds very nice for print media, but > it would take some work, and meta-tags in the documents, to make the font > appear on the fly for interspersed Lojban and non-Lojban messages or > documents. Charset:X-Lojban? > > > James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 > UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 > Email: jimc@math.ucla.edu http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc(q.v. for PGP key) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e65c7caa19e7c40483ce8ed7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regarding the special font only:

The CLL uses a different font=20 for Lojban than for English. For example:

Chapter 6, section 1:

If you understand anything about Lojban, you=20 know what a sumti is by now, right? An argument, one of those things that fills the places of simple Lojban sentences like:

1.1)  mi klama le zarci
    I go-t=
o the market
If you wanted to write Lojban and some other language in the same=20 document, I would suggest using that practice.

That said, while I am not *against* using diacritic marking instead of capitals, that is=20 pretty much the extent of my non-ASCII in Lojban acceptance.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Jim Carter <jimc@math.ucla.edu><= /span> wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Christopher Doty wrote:

I'm wondering how closely tied people are to the idea that, if a
hypothetical thing happened where Lojban got, say, tone, it should stick with ASCII-only characters? =A0I realize there was a good reason for this i= n
the past, but I have trouble seeing a reasoning for it now. =A0Just wonderi= ng
how people feel about that now that Unicode has become the standard? =A0ASC= II
is synonymous with "old-fashioned computing" to me, so just curio= us.

I've had no end of trouble getting my desktop environment to load a com= pose table that includes the accented characters I use and provides them to= all my applications. =A0Thus I would prefer to minimize the use of non-ASC= II characters. =A0But I like the aesthetics of the accents.

Someone else suggested a font in which upper case glyphs were similar to lo= wer case but with an accent. =A0That sounds very nice for print media, but = it would take some work, and meta-tags in the documents, to make the font a= ppear on the fly for interspersed Lojban and non-Lojban messages or documen= ts. =A0Charset:X-Lojban?


James F. Carter =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Voice 310 825 2897 =A0 =A0FAX 310 206 66= 73
UCLA-Mathnet; =A06115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-155= 5
Email: jimc@math.uc= la.edu =A0http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP key)

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