From lojban+bncCIGHwM2rDhCgtP3dBBoE1yr_gw@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 09:47:54 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0HN0-0007pV-4h for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:47:53 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf2537549qyk.1 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:47:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=YHClGI2xCX3pN27K278nCm2ZmnRd67sC9ykWXdQjHxg=; b=JZjOwIV4vvOjZMx4GqUCHfeTbU7wktsxUWkHUTIL1NwPgCUEZWe3gch66lSGwr2BRP rO1dV0IdwgdqCSfqP0KUYdoj4H7bE36V/qlVM0wqcWE55TJDnfCStOq0O1DonaQ5EdIb UI7GPVLerusWKkBpZh3y0Yo+VUXAjV8+zybV0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=tIkyg2UKi2wcVTYbG/nXqrcXU8fbYZx3oQgsADzDME02DNw4MGw1Saw/l+dQ5SJ1kf p4qdyXSOMq+YUtKX4qgfa41uGb6yHCwyTq093NVxTvEZuNYBf8NBhUfFE2SSpwG1h7xD yetwr/j+EuCrgX5IjUdUp8pnBVd7JxM5l6g6Q= Received: by 10.224.50.68 with SMTP id y4mr16162qaf.39.1270831648949; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:47:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.41.66 with SMTP id n2ls157217qae.3.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.73.30 with SMTP id o30mr36157qaj.11.1270831557068; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.168.197 with SMTP id v5mr28213iby.27.1270826057230; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.168.197 with SMTP id v5mr28212iby.27.1270826057186; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f197.google.com (mail-iw0-f197.google.com [209.85.223.197]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si213051iwn.12.2010.04.09.08.14.17; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.223.197 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.223.197; Received: by mail-iw0-f197.google.com with SMTP id 35so2305945iwn.21 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.158.202 with SMTP id g10mr80824ibx.43.1270826056988; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j42sm943595ibr.13.2010.04.09.08.14.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 09:14:11 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. Message-ID: <20100409151411.GA5954@alice.local> References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBC3CE4.6080803@lojban.org> <4BBDECA2.5000500@lojban.org> <4BBE0713.6030903@lojban.org> <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.223.197 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/999657722ed3cc97 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 05:21:27PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > (the rest of what you said did not seem to need a reply from me) > > On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 12:02:35PM -0600, Sean Patrick Santos wrote: > > Third, your goal number three seems to me to be badly phrased. I > > don't think it's a virtue for lojban to be unlike other languages. > > Actually, that's a bad thing because that makes it harder to use. > > What I think you meant is that lojban should not be too closely > > intertwined with any single language or language family, to the > > extent that it becomes more distant from other widely-spoken > > languages (or more succinctly, lojban should avoid a heavy > > cultural bias). > > Acutally, no, I meant exactly what I said: Lojban was formed to test > the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, and while that's largely irrelevant to > me, it *is* important to me, and many other people, that Lojban is > not like any natural languages in a lot of respects. Makes it all > mind-stretching and stuff. > +1 to Robin's comment. -Alan -- te djuno lo do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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