From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCC0f3dBBoEJs3NVQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 10:49:24 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0IKN-0003U8-Fg for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:49:24 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf1875020gyd.16 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:49:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IzR8Vbsai6TocrK3Dh80oU+YpmpeQ4H8WT6Q5Z8yrfg=; b=4ybnGCoW5qc9lbAnUNcXFPq7JMevzECVtoOTJqeB50SUUDFiYlH1oheMsvafmMy43w zmLN8Op5fhg2Ir6yzcUn4Ow5ZkMhgvoOltEbH0mJU6jEmKWteSCJVfGiIaeHnA28jru0 VHRMqJtIJtb/xHk5wEUxjLmrj/qQzh977CbS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=hRqdmqoMuQDA4DA+heRBJz567EYEIaCQYX1M+x00qStER6yUfgXzc5N6jNEY4VsXhA 50L6Ga6noNntopPwUV6ma4oUPNDX3MIxGCFRBro0G/luvV+E6nwD/o4qh16h4g9ZAp0v qqC9hPrRnbfteru13Jl2zaDTVA2y14CQGy93Y= Received: by 10.91.84.19 with SMTP id m19mr109030agl.12.1270835330176; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:48:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.32.206 with SMTP id e14ls355392bkd.2.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.133.78 with SMTP id e14mr29904bkt.4.1270835328313; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.133.78 with SMTP id e14mr29902bkt.4.1270835328263; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e24si1666722bke.6.2010.04.09.10.48.46; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.26 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.92.26; Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so1131949qwh.47 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:48:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.212 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BBF505B.2050705@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:48:45 -0300 Received: by 10.229.211.204 with SMTP id gp12mr396496qcb.59.1270835326314; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Cultural fu'ivla: summary and list of the ISO generated ones From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.26 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/f66e2fdee6af20a6 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/2393ee3827d39bdd Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Christopher Doty wro= te: > I am still absolutely, one hundred percent opposed to the idea of having > 7,000 words with an identical first syllable for related concepts. =A0Thi= s is > not how language works, and it is not how the human brain works. > Jorge brought up an example previously of things (something) like "Icelan= d, > Swaziland, etc." to point out that words having the same morpheme in the > same place wasn't an issue. =A0But, again, this is demonstrably NOT how > languages work. =A0Having the same suffix on a word is not the same as ha= ving > the same prefix. =A0Having the same prefix will make the words VERY hard = to > learn. Doesn't (Ki)Swahili name all languages with a ki- prefix? (This may be yet another myth, like that all country names end in "gu=F3" in Chinese, so I'm just asking, but I tend to be skeptical about claims that this is "not how the human brain works".) But if this is demonstrably not how languages work, can you give some pointers to the demonstration? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.