From lojban+bncCIGHwM2rDhDY4_3dBBoErZerlg@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 11:29:06 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0Iwv-0006Ln-HD for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:29:05 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf2669625qyk.1 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:28:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=S+i1rPfGo5XUe2/5wEKJlzV8aVKpFgateecJlUuagwU=; b=xL3EMj4HpI7oKOA6kexM7EK4TEYz0pp8XloPU2m1hSJk7VsT/k+GARMvtLOZNRHqwi z7RSSgGH98Ao8f/yTGPdRxznQPxAqwEzz9Kcr1CpRs80dZLuPoCa8Lc0lpkLwlPp36yY OoLsiiYExS6RBJB/1b6cvWL3YeET6Db/jIgjc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=fD70LhAOU3VCHbkNg8DUMQp4qzLP2a08YpdnqVEjNAgmHfFiu4/OiUQTy14NuZj4Op p9HNLxkY39lZ53sXA29JLu+QSPY2Y8UK5beJmups8aawOmgXe1kNgnrNGmT8zDORqrvd 9s7WW8pennzBm4zIP/Q8lzkd6spi2EBmlUD7Q= Received: by 10.224.10.167 with SMTP id p39mr22062qap.40.1270837720428; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.16.78 with SMTP id n14ls174234qaa.1.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.17.201 with SMTP id t9mr55897qaa.16.1270837718921; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.146.4 with SMTP id f4mr58221ibv.13.1270837611439; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.146.4 with SMTP id f4mr58220ibv.13.1270837611239; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si241376iwn.9.2010.04.09.11.26.51; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.223.181 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=209.85.223.181; Received: by mail-iw0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 11so2341305iwn.11 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.122.4 with SMTP id u4mr358840wfc.202.1270837610625; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1162711pzk.8.2010.04.09.11.26.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:26:47 -0600 From: Alan Post To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. Message-ID: <20100409182647.GB5954@alice.local> References: <4BBDECA2.5000500@lojban.org> <4BBE0713.6030903@lojban.org> <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.223.181 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org X-Original-Sender: alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/39be91004cbae22e Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 10:37:54AM -0700, Christopher Doty wrote: > From [1]lojban.org: > > * Lojban is designed to be used by people in communication with each > other, and possibly in the future with computers. > * Lojban is designed to be culturally neutral. > * Lojban has an unambiguous grammar, which is based on the principles of > logic. > * Lojban has phonetic spelling, and unambiguous resolution of sounds > into words. > * Lojban is simple compared to natural languages; it is easy to learn. > * Lojban's 1300 root words can be easily combined to form a vocabulary > of millions of words. > * Lojban is regular; the rules of the language are without exception. > * Lojban attempts to remove restrictions on creative and clear thought > and communication. > * Lojban has a variety of uses, ranging from the creative to the > scientific, from the theoretical to the practical. > > Where in here is there anything about being mind-bending? There are, as I > count them, seven things which imply that Lojban is trying to be > accessible, easy to learn, etc., and in the last point, it is clearly > point out that Lojban "has a variety of uses." If the use of Lojban is to > bend minds, what does this list mean, and why is that item missing? > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:34, Matt Arnold <[2]matt.mattarn@gmail.com> > wrote: > My newbie answer to this is the relative symmetry the language has regarding logical operations, to include those that are difficult to understand as they are being spoken. That the mind-bending part is an emergent property of formally analyzing the "making logical statements" space, rather than being an explicit design goal. -Alan -- te djuno lo do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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