From lojban+bncCM-P6d3GHBC48P3dBBoE6sx5Dg@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 11:56:20 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f137.google.com ([209.85.211.137]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0JNG-0008OQ-37 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:56:19 -0700 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf519932ywh.28 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:56:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:message-id:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=LvVYPxI97Msgsj+6Eej6qoYqIz6BfKvnIkTZyNXxcRo=; b=27XuQ+IaAinZVwTXwOcWGPRNRDTsUomkDg96YLnvJGeVFsL0ZGWvrYgGT1/zAxxEXN 8GTUKTGIix2fO+GvGteZdNAfMTTpGXdN/zFsRMbNl0eLZkBf3+iwrLUSbrcQP/bgc0FP 7pK4Z7wmDLi3z2alcWAcu86HTXcaZ+xhxvVjs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version :content-type:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; b=ozXzIu6M9q7Hj9N91Mjk2cLb4YMFuVuxfCbxYUkm0fc4frXQV/Y8oMtjtNgXWLkqVb XbR1D7jzZG5hZKV73VG8A5nU8lLmIwu81f2NRT15odjELzgmlDcyhZFQQcNANNbybiqs i76Em4Wwzyf6igTz8MrU/rTnN9ruf1f73w4Mg= Received: by 10.101.142.33 with SMTP id u33mr34020ann.25.1270839352949; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:55:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.35.68 with SMTP id o4ls376777bkd.1.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.163.19 with SMTP id y19mr34515bkx.2.1270839351422; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.163.19 with SMTP id y19mr34514bkx.2.1270839351388; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f131.google.com (mail-pz0-f131.google.com [209.85.222.131]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a10si1733429bkc.1.2010.04.09.11.55.49; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of leos.molas@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.131 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.222.131; Received: by pzk37 with SMTP id 37so448946pzk.8 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.134.32 with SMTP id l32mr877957wan.44.1270839348433; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([190.97.37.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm392126ywg.12.2010.04.09.11.55.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BBF783C.5020507@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 15:55:56 -0300 From: Leo Molas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Cultural fu'ivla: summary and list of the ISO generated ones References: <4BBF505B.2050705@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig631B6F2D321879496EF27DC6" X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of leos.molas@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.131 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=leos.molas@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: leos.molas@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/f66e2fdee6af20a6 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/17e26faa23b06c Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig631B6F2D321879496EF27DC6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The new currencies table is this: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGVWcWpsSTVBQ0htZS1= pb3pTYUNSNVE&hl=3Den I understand that the list seems awful, but they are not terrible. You don't always talk about 7000 countries and their languages and currencies. You don't know all their names. And, finally, no one forces anyone to know all of them; if someone doesn't like a word, just creates another one and use it. You may link that new word in the comments of the word in jbovlaste. The seem difficult to learn, but again, you've only to know 2 or 3 letters, and most of the times they resemble what you're talking about. The prefix are useful as they are in lujvo, or fu'ivla type-3; you may not know which, for example, country is the other person talking about, but you'll know is a country (and you can ask later which country is it).= mu'o mi'e leos El 09/04/2010 02:35 p.m., Christopher Doty escribi=C3=B3: > I am still absolutely, one hundred percent opposed to the idea of havin= g > 7,000 words with an identical first syllable for related concepts. Thi= s > is not how language works, and it is not how the human brain works. >=20 > Jorge brought up an example previously of things (something) like > "Iceland, Swaziland, etc." to point out that words having the same > morpheme in the same place wasn't an issue. But, again, this is > demonstrably NOT how languages work. Having the same suffix on a word > is not the same as having the same prefix. Having the same prefix will= > make the words VERY hard to learn. >=20 > Chris >=20 > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 09:05, Leo Molas > wrote: >=20 > I did a list with the 3 ISO generated fu'ivla that where proposed: > countries (ISO 3166), languages (ISO 639-3) and currencies (ISO 421= 7). >=20 > The script also generates a jbovlaste-like definitions, separated w= ith > ';', so I created a table (like .csc), and upload it to google docs= =2E (If > you are not confortable using it, you can download the file in seve= ral > different formats.) I did this because the idea is to mass upload t= hem; > I asked Robin if he can do that, and he only needed that the files = had > that format. >=20 > My idea is to discuss now if there is something wrong with the > definitions. You can change little things if you feel it, and if yo= u > want to change something in all the definitions, tell me and I'll c= hange > it in the script. Those files are going to be the ones I give Robin= to > upload to jbovlaste. >=20 > The columns are: >=20 > - valsi > - definition > - Prefix (I don't know if this should go there.) > - gloss word (this can be changed) > - in the sense of (this too) >=20 > The last points are where I feel insecure. I can also make a column= with > "comments", telling that this are ISO generated or whatever... and = can > also have a link to other word meaning the same (like mergu'e in > gugde'usu). >=20 > The files are: >=20 > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdENVckVaOTJLb= VdGVE5SeGJ0MTBTbGc&hl=3Den > > : countries (247 fu'ivla) and currencies (172) >=20 > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGNYUFhrdmV1c= mpLeVVQZkNSU3dBYUE&hl=3Den > > : languages part 1 (from =EF=BB=BFbanga'a'a to banlukusu, 3687 fu'i= vla) >=20 > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdC1ENjlQTmZ1Z= jlidFAwWDdvZDBUUWc&hl=3Den > > : languages part 2 (from banlukutu to banzuzuju, 4232 fu'ivla) >=20 > That gives us a total of 8338 fu'ivla .uesai >=20 > I know it's a really huge number, but this may be really useful .ui= >=20 > mu'o mi'e .leos. >=20 >=20 > -- > My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com > My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com --------------enig631B6F2D321879496EF27DC6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLv3hIAAoJEGPqAjdF26uEYTsIAIbAwzQfvAD57JkSEBHBAt8s c1RtAnNKvbPaPvmf0I68SVZVp2R0nEGVKRaKU5SA4blKVVZci5zdhOOgdwuH046E 4cEWiWDZ+7CiNcTZabp4o71aZbAReYCeYzLzAcqLZ9YNOhURPew/lBkGcSGRwQfp k6nN18TlGo/VYoOGw+PpCLLAMAYT5Fd7c6f4ix7PScbbdu5EHPqo7JjlbXCFVbCA 8bF/tg2TO+gh8Svw3Vkf87d7QNQC65eBJADEaRVdLbn81mg+CKnmcTgg45QKgwJD YUpis+TZ/vizfEKlsG0Z5JpNFI3w9KEiDq7vIyn/mGD0i6ejr98Eootd2yZ3cqc= =/M4F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig631B6F2D321879496EF27DC6--