From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBDt-_3dBBoE4QuDsQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 12:20:38 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0Jko-00026B-Lq for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:20:38 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf2709133qyk.1 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:20:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=arLyDEV5YWOZlkK+LqpkqA7bicwLdZ9ojXRmIUvs2yo=; b=OZTtCt7nn85QsE11cuiegh/EVGeCFNOy/ihYPk/qcuOJIKdpUE/3FEnKmdqe74fJ7f 3ylfaoaHqFAQSCFM27HIXWalmhNaUt4+aBUStVrTuSDJqZZZthuyNqrHaHSc5qS8gEzD UBkNOLeFm+aemriSqUb//xoE/BtG/F2NggBnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=kSCk9zCdmLDvW7ixtXzQVxvKEoRI+n0w0rfkuBriRdLfndZwH0J3yh49EQd4iz2MJa TzvBRKs5vzDlr0v1r6DkYZMyScZIVjoFxIBf+h0rt3CbZEvCY9grMleN5n8it/UFtNam TNMQ2O5/3uvmbSLoAVEJO1XoJSu+EHJUztGjg= Received: by 10.224.18.23 with SMTP id u23mr26047qaa.26.1270840813598; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.59.82 with SMTP id k18ls188503qah.5.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.41.148 with SMTP id o20mr61040qae.22.1270840812090; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.20.28 with SMTP id 28mr805854agt.7.1270838946820; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.20.28 with SMTP id 28mr805767agt.7.1270838944518; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si80982yxe.7.2010.04.09.11.49.04; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.47; Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100409184904.TJKM16574.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:49:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3Wp31e00E2hfrC602Wp37H; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:49:03 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=u9aaE4Pfr0xy9UvPxuh9qFR1i2SV5RyaXjJQawTgqeY= c=1 sm=1 a=f8h2ccynpPgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=PUzSbT6wJaFg4QpVXeQA:9 a=eTvRobIhPdZNxfFn1NsA:7 a=HotQnvQLNzCIlcQVwZ9GHZzed1EA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BBF76A1.4000604@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:49:05 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Response ro Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban" References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <20100409014708.GB11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBF5FB4.5070608@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4BBF5FB4.5070608@gmail.com> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/ba8d21076d95a932 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed And Rosta wrote: > A language is a system of rules mapping between sounds and meanings. A language is first and foremost a means of communication (and need not use sound BTW) > What users do should be neither here nor there: the language should be a > tool, consisting of a set of sound--meaning correspondence rules, > available for whatever use people wish to make of it. > > Pierre: > >> Can we have some Lojbanists accepting some, but not all, of the >> rulings of the BPFK? > > The usage of Lojbanists would and should be unregulated. The declaration > of Lojban would exist to be used freely however people choose. A bunch of rules that no one will ever use - sounds like a form of mental masturbation (or since this is a group effort, an orgy thereof). But then I've always tended to disparage conlang-making, where the process of language-making is the point, and not the result. Some people do want to work with Lojban as a mental toy, and we have to allow for that. But more, I think, want to communicate with it, which is what sets Lojban apart from most of the hundreds of conlangs that are out there. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.