From lojban+bncCIOnzJa3CxCniv7dBBoEJe_MUQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 12:51:30 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0KEe-0004dR-Vj for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:51:30 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf1920425gyd.16 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:51:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-nvg-mailscanner-information:x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NGMmoZXJY514/+al9asML+euoPPyAjo9dc+PJVWbTBg=; b=deUj8OqXyDE4ffedRNIzzGvZCJvSguH0MfHRDed4zLgxmh22uvXaPc509lssEgx/kE ojFVSAhfmVAN2sQJmGtnjJ3Kh3DmORWYgz+41PJu5PsmTxT3OGnCce/PbmZthHETLNeo /pNClDFy9EOfF/u0ZhN2CTZ1Ki1Jl1IpGIFtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-nvg-mailscanner-information :x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=m+/7UjTQkMAgjbcPiG8PySjcBlpLGOi9TgFP+H3hAPGWkbp1G5liSparFBEXi6vVqN mtNsxZv2xfxI/r0+zOFN0J+F3dNVQ2zPyTPYLOGXDA7veF60KANosywOXaHFT+IZd4Aw ry9P8DvsPtu45X2lkPmynhvHUx4mdILSyE7Kw= Received: by 10.90.125.12 with SMTP id x12mr132010agc.57.1270842663740; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.59.76 with SMTP id k12ls127538ebh.3.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.48.139 with SMTP id r11mr57686ebf.15.1270842662082; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.48.139 with SMTP id r11mr57685ebf.15.1270842662050; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 12si99788ewy.6.2010.04.09.12.51.01; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.241.210.67; Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (unknown [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:2a0:c9ff:feab:76e2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8102A94797 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 21:50:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o39Jolbj031796 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 21:50:47 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id o39Joife031795 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 21:50:44 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 21:50:44 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Cultural gismu replacement lujvo now on jbovlaste. Message-ID: <20100409195044.GR3000@nvg.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Sender: arj@nvg.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/97387d388c4148fc X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/e991657fee39280b Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 01:44:01PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > language - matybau - "m1 corresponds to language of m2/b2 in aspect > m3" > culture - matklu - "m1 corresponds to culture of m2/k1 in aspect > m3" > community - matce'u - "m1 corresponds to community m2/c2 in aspect > m3" > religion - matyjda - "m1 corresponds to religion of m2/l2 in aspect > m3/l3" > nationality - matselgu'e - "m1/sg1 corresponds to country m2/sg2 in aspec= t > m3" > geography - matytutra "m1 corresponds to territory of m2/t2 in aspect > m3" These are all based on veljvo that are backwards. For that place structure = to follow jvojva, the words would have to be banmapti, klumapti, and so on. Also, the =93mapti=94 seems like a semantic no-op=97why not just use bangu,= kulnu, and so on? --=20 Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Let's have some real examples from a real, non-English language. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.