From 3gOm0SwoJBmoacWUQKPZQaOUIQT.KWUTWRJIVOWWOTMOZWcXa.KWU@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 01 11:44:43 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3gOm0SwoJBmoacWUQKPZQaOUIQT.KWUTWRJIVOWWOTMOZWcXa.KWU@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxPNd-0000r8-So for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:44:43 -0700 Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1sf1679981gwb.16 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ENQd2nSR4VS+KMHQTjd4HRjJqgW0Mil/XdKO1RC+dxw=; b=JB9wxrOTkExY5u4Fkul1Ep2vs6sNB1l42luLqeYPSva2hYzk3Ive3JljWR7JAi0S5d GrhJAjf4iaX8U6zKYktIZ8TpnDLI00a2R1EtKGgtjAaDBJLuZwYAs47iYigsZzOvhDcZ 23EVH+Iz1z76vE9BuUUAKvi6g6XNhf+s9wa8I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=zKzztFoF2epRq6mDJyas0tIZJqPLnV7FMatKVRtj1sc8qWwB71fJLl/x9g5K4MdDYN jyBt+AKmWNy2d/lkcaHRDNCf/JzcoOnB7+ABXU6p9gvil/LHhNKhQdM8uF/HqR5UzaX2 pdi2Ec1zgUMKPmfIOhA5uH9o/hFRaw+5nB3jg= Received: by 10.91.121.9 with SMTP id y9mr211356agm.33.1270147456378; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.160.26 with SMTP id m26ls304542ago.4.p; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.1.40 with SMTP id 40mr2715580aga.9.1270147454466; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.1.40 with SMTP id 40mr2715576aga.9.1270147454376; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f180.google.com (mail-yx0-f180.google.com [209.85.210.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si210081ywh.2.2010.04.01.11.44.13; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.180; Received: by yxe10 with SMTP id 10so478043yxe.18 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:44:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:43:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201003312350.52303.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201004011214.40699.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Christopher Doty Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:43:47 -0700 Received: by 10.101.4.27 with SMTP id g27mr3160369ani.221.1270147448056; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/eaee3f6c1d864837 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045015fd77465060483313fa2 --005045015fd77465060483313fa2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, so, I feel kind of stupid now--I guess the summary I wrote would be much better without any mention of gismu. Don't drop them, don't make new ones, just have fu'ivla and lujvo for the concepts we've been talking about= , and see if they catch on. I do want a want to talk about dialects, though--but maybe nationality coul= d be used for that... "This word corresponds to Australian in the aspect of English?" i.e., "This word is Australian English" ?? On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:24, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : > >> Okay, so, the terms in the various cultural gismu, and my lujvo >> suggestions for them, are: >> >> language - matybau - "m1/b1 corresponds to language of m2/b2 in aspect m= 3" >> culture - matklu - "m1/k1 corresponds to culture of m2/k1 in aspect m3" >> community - matce'u - "m1/c1 corresponds to community m2/c2 in aspect m3= " >> religion - matyjda - "m1/l1 corresponds to religion of m2/l2 in aspect >> m3/l3" >> dialect (Australian) - skip it, use the language one. >> empire (Latin) - I believe a lujvo for this already exists >> ethos (Slavic) - skip it, use culture >> > nationality - matselgu'e - "m1/g1 corresponds to country m2/g2 in aspect > m3" > geography - matytutra "m1/t1 corresponds to territory of m2/t2 in aspect > m3" > >> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote= : >> >>> On Thursday 01 April 2010 10:41:43 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: >>> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Pierre Abbat >>> wrote: >>> > > On Wednesday 31 March 2010 16:54:27 Christopher Doty wrote: >>> > >> Chechen (=D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=85=D1=87=D0=B8=D0=B9=D0=BD =D0=BC=D0=BE= =D1=82=D1=82) tce'acu (che/cau) >>> > > >>> > > There's one code that's not based on the autonym. I say "noxcino". >>> > >>> > I would be in favor of removing "xc" from the list of forbidden >>> > clusters (but then I would give priority to "mz", "ntc", "nts", "ndz"= , >>> > "ndj"). >>> >>> "noxtino", then. >>> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre. >>> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --005045015fd77465060483313fa2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, so, I feel kind of stupid now--I guess the summary I wrote would be m= uch better without any mention of gismu. =C2=A0Don't drop them, don'= ;t make new ones, just have fu'ivla and lujvo for the concepts we'v= e been talking about, and see if they catch on.

I do want a want to talk about dialects, though--but maybe n= ationality could be used for that... =C2=A0"This word corresponds to= =C2=A0Australian=C2=A0in the aspect of English?" =C2=A0i.e., "Thi= s word is Australian English" ??

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:24, Jonathan Jones= <eyeonus@gmail.c= om> wrote:


On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:17 A= M, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, so, the terms in the various cultural gismu, and my lujvo sugges= tions for them, are:
=C2=A0
language - matybau - "m1/b1 corresponds to language of=C2=A0m2/b2= in aspect m3"
culture - matklu - "m1/k1 corresponds to culture of m2/k1 in aspe= ct m3"
community - matce'u - "m1/c1 corresponds to community m2/c2 i= n aspect m3"
religion - matyjda - "m1/l1 corresponds to religion of m2/l2 in a= spect m3/l3"
dialect (Australian) - skip it, use the language one.
empire (Latin) - I believe a lujvo for this already exists
ethos (Slavic) - skip it, use culture
nationality - matselgu'e - "m1/g1 corresponds to countr= y m2/g2 in aspect m3"
geography - matytutra "m1/t1 corresponds= to territory of=C2=A0m2/t2 in aspect m3"
=C2=A0
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Thursday 01 April 2010 10:41:43 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:
> = On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> &g= t; On Wednesday 31 March 2010 16:54:27 Christopher Doty wrote:
> >> Chechen (=D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=85=D1=87=D0=B8=D0=B9=D0=BD =D0=BC=D0= =BE=D1=82=D1=82) tce'acu (che/cau)
> >
> > There'= s one code that's not based on the autonym. I say "noxcino".<= br>>
> I would be in favor of removing "xc" from the lis= t of forbidden
> clusters (but then I would give priority to "mz", "ntc&= quot;, "nts", "ndz",
> "ndj").

<= /div>"noxtino", then.

Pierre
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La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est pl= us que dans le sang.

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