From lojban+bncCJ2w4Zy_AhDRjf7dBBoEhjtYDQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 12:58:42 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f144.google.com ([209.85.210.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0KLY-00053b-OF for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:58:41 -0700 Received: by yxe8 with SMTP id 8sf2089537yxe.25 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:58:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=RdFdxV5THNeQERB6GysQUxofHEx1P6jPfCujACI+H4k=; b=BUWueDnSyAAalaQQqYV6StRJFBm9XvA2qBYMwOnq4H6p+x7A/HfO2QUt66PAY2TdWN aOX/R9ZCJ+241jCHpTWa8PYLhSusfUGZYEusBkmThI1xZnzpBIaUyDgGSFVgGN5V3VOI gE8MKyW5uWLfb2WvrZom3kiXJyR4z1824Fidg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=c54rWrI1pl+3zzYu0IS45UrQCwDcCizVjv/fSIaav6+LimM/apXWE73cW27r9ec1ee V9YzhWFw7Q4QOQXhgU9HIcxoAjFaRjrcDEtkeYE2K4p/8S96a3WCdqhJv7ogNUtg5Sjo UfuG5MY66d/UDWi+Y6TsDTfTQNrP8w7D0CqIE= Received: by 10.91.160.33 with SMTP id m33mr138302ago.24.1270843089707; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:58:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.66.23 with SMTP id t23ls89590agk.6.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.10.20 with SMTP id 20mr839656agj.0.1270843086057; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.10.20 with SMTP id 20mr839606agj.0.1270843084466; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si147745gxk.4.2010.04.09.12.58.03; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.172; Received: by gyh4 with SMTP id 4so1923898gyh.31 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:58:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:57:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BBF76A1.4000604@lojban.org> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <20100409014708.GB11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBF5FB4.5070608@gmail.com> <4BBF76A1.4000604@lojban.org> From: Christopher Doty Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:57:41 -0700 Received: by 10.101.58.3 with SMTP id l3mr780082ank.70.1270843081332; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Response ro Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/f603aec62782e56a Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636ed71f36e16c10483d33644 --001636ed71f36e16c10483d33644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:49, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > And Rosta wrote: > >> A language is a system of rules mapping between sounds and meanings. >> > > A language is first and foremost a means of communication (and need not use > sound BTW) No, it is not. Damn near every living thing on this planet communicates through some means. Language is a squishy issue to define, but the one And uses is by far the most common: an (arbitrary) system of mapping between a meaning and a sign (in most cases a sound, but also to sign). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636ed71f36e16c10483d33644 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:49, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org<= /a>> wrote:
And Rosta wrote:
A language is a system of rules mapping between sounds and meanings.

A language is first and foremost a means of communication (and need not use= sound BTW)

No, it is not. =A0Damn near eve= ry living thing on this planet communicates through some means.

Language is a squishy issue to define, but the one And uses = is by far the most common: an (arbitrary) system of mapping between a meani= ng and a sign (in most cases a sound, but also to sign).=A0

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