From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCejv7dBBoEQOWIrg@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 12:59:58 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0KMq-0005Ay-OT for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:59:58 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf1923704gyd.16 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=TY/D4tIwB69pPzYOyTGgOjhxWLpMOceaPJuer5zOGAU=; b=DOYqQTfNUCsrVaj8a3eFjCbiPlmXwYojxvgmnI3svuIA0ddCgP7rNYH/I9Yc3463ye L2gn2chYW85voOAy3cihkxHOWBwlg8PWl01HNl8kSwT6SWEO+hlN3yNLSbfv7kLSzCZt TbQvQCG6CmdHEllFng8pSLtjcazMXrCpUyZUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=GKQ3QS4cwe/7utstQNGbnsSSAsZJ3vgEr9nmNJ826k6x8rsR25hY2/IWup+O6OoZBO DGXNqSqp4YWyLXw5HdwoNF0jMFEk744pUV1d9gDGoDzUY7ZzbLFaoGkvoT6H0eNlm6J4 rYsMfJkGCvwhIhFoK1kOxk0ZChlg3Watgkidw= Received: by 10.91.160.33 with SMTP id m33mr132341ago.54.1270843166974; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:59:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.87 with SMTP id 23ls400845bky.0.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.38.84 with SMTP id a20mr39204bke.23.1270843165233; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.38.84 with SMTP id a20mr39203bke.23.1270843165178; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h3si1792936bke.4.2010.04.09.12.59.24; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.54; Received: by wwb24 with SMTP id 24so1136887wwb.13 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:59:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.146 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100409195044.GR3000@nvg.org> References: <20100409195044.GR3000@nvg.org> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:59:23 -0600 Received: by 10.216.160.213 with SMTP id u63mr302051wek.128.1270843163942; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Cultural gismu replacement lujvo now on jbovlaste. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/97387d388c4148fc X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a6caddbdc5d87939 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6541b045a1ff00483d33b97 --0016e6541b045a1ff00483d33b97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 01:44:01PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > language - matybau - "m1 corresponds to language of m2/b2 in aspect > > m3" > > culture - matklu - "m1 corresponds to culture of m2/k1 in aspect > > m3" > > community - matce'u - "m1 corresponds to community m2/c2 in aspect > > m3" > > religion - matyjda - "m1 corresponds to religion of m2/l2 in aspect > > m3/l3" > > nationality - matselgu'e - "m1/sg1 corresponds to country m2/sg2 in > aspect > > m3" > > geography - matytutra "m1 corresponds to territory of m2/t2 in aspect > > m3" > > These are all based on veljvo that are backwards. For that place structur= e > to follow jvojva, the words would have to be banmapti, klumapti, and so o= n. > Oh well. I did it that way to emphasize the correspondence bit. > > Also, the =93mapti=94 seems like a semantic no-op=97why not just use bang= u, > kulnu, and so on? > This is why: bangu "x1 is a/the language/dialect used by x2 to express/communicate x3" Say this without using {mapti}: zoi gy. Yumpto .gy matybau lo merko > > -- > Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ > Let's have some real examples from a real, non-English language. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Arnt Richard Joh= ansen <arj@nvg.org&= gt; wrote:
On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 01:44:01PM -0600, Jonathan Jones = wrote:
> language - matybau - "m1 corresponds to language of m2/b2 in aspe= ct
> m3"<http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/matybau>
> culture - matklu - "m1 corresponds to culture o= f m2/k1 in aspect
> m3"<http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/matklu>
> community - matce'u - "m1 corresponds to co= mmunity m2/c2 in aspect
> m3"<http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/matce%27u>
> =A0religion - matyjda - "m1 corresponds to reli= gion of m2/l2 in aspect
> m3/l3"<http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/matyjda>
> nationality - matselgu'e - "m1/sg1 correspo= nds to country m2/sg2 in aspect
> m3" <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/matselgu%27e&= gt;
> geography - matytutra "m1 corresponds to territ= ory of m2/t2 in aspect
> m3"<http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/matytutra>

These are all based on veljvo that are backwards. For that place structure = to follow jvojva, the words would have to be banmapti, klumapti, and so on.=

Oh well. I did it that way to emphasize the corre= spondence bit.

Also, the =93mapti=94 seems like a semantic no-op=97why not just use bangu,= kulnu, and so on?

This is why:

bangu "= ;x1 is a/the language/dialect used by x2 to express/communicate x3"
Say this without using {mapti}:

zoi gy. Yumpto .gy matybau lo me= rko

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Let's have some real examples from a real, non-English language.

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