From lojban+bncCIOnzJa3CxDSnv7dBBoEcEbjgA@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 13:34:53 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0Kud-0008O0-RB for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:34:53 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf391157gxk.4 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-nvg-mailscanner-information:x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j0ySkbGdX7/1Tpk+QzrrKBcYUrZ8aE/iDPlQPQBS/5o=; b=XvWYP5vbPZDJj4hyBJi7MXJjed8j4OiQCZUrwkKhUIRmoUFfBIHqDrGkmJZa2bC7bG iUNFV4TeeKnKCRt2QKAdkDSgqxjFxjA0o3ToRd7J0FS6VMR6Jhv4beTZYpckxXU/OZhD bCFn86iuJOmDNiE/WDcsV9WftmOEha88fEfA0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-nvg-mailscanner-information :x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=M5cwXa0SxL6R245BYYPlZ8w3nqViLIaNqKE/tCb6IjgpjFqqhl28Cugd6S0nKwRAkB isVKYmPupTu1COeuRu9PRKdoe1OT4Oa5An7Tgi9yB6/Ftu+nXFnwDeQ1ZCR+G1SWLhYN be1zZkW5mbWjF2J1oeNhZ4mAVPU1jQMRxVRhw= Received: by 10.91.185.15 with SMTP id m15mr137515agp.49.1270845266608; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.70.78 with SMTP id c14ls131425ebj.2.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.79.77 with SMTP id o13mr59391ebk.6.1270845265248; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.79.77 with SMTP id o13mr59390ebk.6.1270845265126; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 12si101277ewy.2.2010.04.09.13.34.24; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.241.210.67; Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (unknown [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:2a0:c9ff:feab:76e2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7CB94795 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 22:34:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o39KYFS2032325 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 22:34:16 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id o39KYDSM032324 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 22:34:13 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 22:34:13 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Cultural gismu replacement lujvo now on jbovlaste. Message-ID: <20100409203413.GS3000@nvg.org> References: <20100409195044.GR3000@nvg.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Sender: arj@nvg.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/97387d388c4148fc X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/4f25053b5536d9b1 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 01:59:23PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote= : >=20 > > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 01:44:01PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > language - matybau - "m1 corresponds to language of m2/b2 in aspect > > > m3" > > > culture - matklu - "m1 corresponds to culture of m2/k1 in aspect > > > m3" > > > community - matce'u - "m1 corresponds to community m2/c2 in aspect > > > m3" > > > religion - matyjda - "m1 corresponds to religion of m2/l2 in aspect > > > m3/l3" > > > nationality - matselgu'e - "m1/sg1 corresponds to country m2/sg2 in > > aspect > > > m3" > > > geography - matytutra "m1 corresponds to territory of m2/t2 in aspect > > > m3" > > > > These are all based on veljvo that are backwards. For that place struct= ure > > to follow jvojva, the words would have to be banmapti, klumapti, and so= on. > > >=20 > Oh well. I did it that way to emphasize the correspondence bit. Okay, but it is the final part of the compound that is the most salient par= t. > > Also, the =93mapti=94 seems like a semantic no-op=97why not just use ba= ngu, > > kulnu, and so on? > > >=20 > This is why: >=20 > bangu "x1 is a/the language/dialect used by x2 to express/communicate x3" >=20 > Say this without using {mapti}: >=20 > zoi gy. Yumpto .gy matybau lo merko I'm not sure I've understood that sentence correctly. zoi .gy. Yumpto .gy. srana lo bangu be lo merko or zoi .gy. Yumpto .gy. merko lo ka bangu or, if I make some assumptions about what =93Yumpto=94 is (I don't know wha= t it is, but a web search suggests that the following sentence is true): zoi .gy. Yumpto .gy. valsi fi lo glibau be lo merko --=20 Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ If you connect yourself across a 2000V supply, the very best you can hope for is something like a serious heart attack with severe burns thrown in for good measure. IT'S MUCH MORE LIKELY THAT YOU'LL BE DEAD. -- John Nelson: Power Supplies & Control Units, in The VHF/UHF DX Book --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.