From lojban+bncCOWOg99KEIam_t0EGgT7M-Ni@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 13:50:41 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0L9w-0001jv-TI for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:50:41 -0700 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21sf1743863gwj.16 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:50:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=TuHmHCJOW8X4EM4daLWaxXg8vt53rzMMomjQ5CrdT3k=; b=xOrjFe0twv0fmgsmMYJGz8pCVkwTH9OEhN4n3HpaKdM+piLCZIOzaYF3mx89vjB9GW 65Y1x216au0CLr23pM0104XfZe+GFytjMcOPZm138bsLgqPVSTLkQSFWWCOP17LZhTH1 HwUcn6rgA/En0GW9XH5bGm5Ntw+nRU4Qt6A+A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ZdGkAtKFvtlEeZ47jwcIupTsHxBd4olVTz2QaUNSKhbrqYksVtNlnInmimHHS5z8sR VpPJCffC5GZdY7wVfrFFKXQYPD9KM+N9ey77eutd1m5hArwF3Gki193zDf/foEht6gyk fqQy1AUHLKNglZoA16fp7MqBFiZ63TzRHMSKA= Received: by 10.91.91.11 with SMTP id t11mr147043agl.58.1270846215055; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:50:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.87.74.30 with SMTP id b30ls180916fgl.3.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.239.17 with SMTP id m17mr57467fgh.14.1270846213581; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.87.72.12 with SMTP id z12mr56165fgk.19.1270845705860; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.87.72.12 with SMTP id z12mr56163fgk.19.1270845705497; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 11si148558fxm.6.2010.04.09.13.41.44; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of yoav.nir@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.227 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.218.227; Received: by mail-bw0-f227.google.com with SMTP id 27so2884758bwz.18 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:41:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.3.71 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BBF783C.5020507@gmail.com> References: <4BBF505B.2050705@gmail.com> <4BBF783C.5020507@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 23:41:43 +0300 Received: by 10.204.21.1 with SMTP id h1mr599233bkb.171.1270845703738; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Cultural fu'ivla: summary and list of the ISO generated ones From: Yoav Nir To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of yoav.nir@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.227 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=yoav.nir@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: yoav.nir@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/f66e2fdee6af20a6 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/7a3fb5f3cea856fe Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555ad52bc88970483d3d223 --00032555ad52bc88970483d3d223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You misspelled "curency" (one r instead of two) Fixed that for you On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Leo Molas wrote: > The new currencies table is this: > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGVWcWpsSTVBQ0htZS1= pb3pTYUNSNVE&hl=3Den > > > I understand that the list seems awful, but they are not terrible. You > don't always talk about 7000 countries and their languages and > currencies. You don't know all their names. And, finally, no one forces > anyone to know all of them; if someone doesn't like a word, just creates > another one and use it. You may link that new word in the comments of > the word in jbovlaste. > > The seem difficult to learn, but again, you've only to know 2 or 3 > letters, and most of the times they resemble what you're talking about. > > The prefix are useful as they are in lujvo, or fu'ivla type-3; you may > not know which, for example, country is the other person talking about, > but you'll know is a country (and you can ask later which country is it). > > mu'o mi'e leos > > El 09/04/2010 02:35 p.m., Christopher Doty escribi=C3=B3: > > I am still absolutely, one hundred percent opposed to the idea of havin= g > > 7,000 words with an identical first syllable for related concepts. Thi= s > > is not how language works, and it is not how the human brain works. > > > > Jorge brought up an example previously of things (something) like > > "Iceland, Swaziland, etc." to point out that words having the same > > morpheme in the same place wasn't an issue. But, again, this is > > demonstrably NOT how languages work. Having the same suffix on a word > > is not the same as having the same prefix. Having the same prefix will > > make the words VERY hard to learn. > > > > Chris > > > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 09:05, Leo Molas > > wrote: > > > > I did a list with the 3 ISO generated fu'ivla that where proposed: > > countries (ISO 3166), languages (ISO 639-3) and currencies (ISO > 4217). > > > > The script also generates a jbovlaste-like definitions, separated > with > > ';', so I created a table (like .csc), and upload it to google docs= . > (If > > you are not confortable using it, you can download the file in > several > > different formats.) I did this because the idea is to mass upload > them; > > I asked Robin if he can do that, and he only needed that the files > had > > that format. > > > > My idea is to discuss now if there is something wrong with the > > definitions. You can change little things if you feel it, and if yo= u > > want to change something in all the definitions, tell me and I'll > change > > it in the script. Those files are going to be the ones I give Robin > to > > upload to jbovlaste. > > > > The columns are: > > > > - valsi > > - definition > > - Prefix (I don't know if this should go there.) > > - gloss word (this can be changed) > > - in the sense of (this too) > > > > The last points are where I feel insecure. I can also make a column > with > > "comments", telling that this are ISO generated or whatever... and > can > > also have a link to other word meaning the same (like mergu'e in > > gugde'usu). > > > > The files are: > > > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdENVckVaOTJLbVdGVE5= SeGJ0MTBTbGc&hl=3Den > > < > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdENVckVaOTJLbVdGVE5= SeGJ0MTBTbGc&hl=3Den > > > > : countries (247 fu'ivla) and currencies (172) > > > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGNYUFhrdmV1cmpLeVV= QZkNSU3dBYUE&hl=3Den > > < > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGNYUFhrdmV1cmpLeVV= QZkNSU3dBYUE&hl=3Den > > > > : languages part 1 (from =EF=BB=BFbanga'a'a to banlukusu, 3687 fu'i= vla) > > > > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdC1ENjlQTmZ1ZjlidFA= wWDdvZDBUUWc&hl=3Den > > < > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdC1ENjlQTmZ1ZjlidFA= wWDdvZDBUUWc&hl=3Den > > > > : languages part 2 (from banlukutu to banzuzuju, 4232 fu'ivla) > > > > That gives us a total of 8338 fu'ivla .uesai > > > > I know it's a really huge number, but this may be really useful .ui > > > > mu'o mi'e .leos. > > > > > > -- > > My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com > > My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > -- > My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com > My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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You misspelled "curency" (one r instead of two)<= div>Fixed that for you

On Fri, Apr 9, 201= 0 at 9:55 PM, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com> wrote:
The new currencies table is this:
http://spreadsheets.go= ogle.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGVWcWpsSTVBQ0htZS1pb3pTYUNSNVE&hl=3Den=


I understand that the list seems awful, but they are not terrible. You
don't always talk about 7000 countries and their languages and
currencies. You don't know all their names. And, finally, no one forces=
anyone to know all of them; if someone doesn't like a word, just create= s
another one and use it. You may link that new word in the comments of
the word in jbovlaste.

The seem difficult to learn, but again, you've only to know 2 or 3
letters, and most of the times they resemble what you're talking about.=

The prefix are useful as they are in lujvo, or fu'ivla type-3; you may<= br> not know which, for example, country is the other person talking about,
but you'll know is a country (and you can ask later which country is it= ).

mu'o mi'e leos

El 09/04/2010 02:35 p.m., Christopher Doty escribi=C3=B3:
> I am still absolutely, one hundred percent opposed t= o the idea of having
> 7,000 words with an identical first syllable for related concepts. =C2= =A0This
> is not how language works, and it is not how the human brain works. >
> Jorge brought up an example previously of things (something) like
> "Iceland, Swaziland, etc." to point out that words having th= e same
> morpheme in the same place wasn't an issue. =C2=A0But, again, this= is
> demonstrably NOT how languages work. =C2=A0Having the same suffix on a= word
> is not the same as having the same prefix. =C2=A0Having the same prefi= x will
> make the words VERY hard to learn.
>
> Chris
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 09:05, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com
> <mailto:leos.molas@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I did a list with the 3 ISO generated fu'ivla that w= here proposed:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 countries (ISO 3166), languages (ISO 639-3) and currenci= es (ISO 4217).
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The script also generates a jbovlaste-like definitions, = separated with
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ';', so I created a table (like .csc), and uploa= d it to google docs. (If
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 you are not confortable using it, you can download the f= ile in several
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 different formats.) I did this because the idea is to ma= ss upload them;
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I asked Robin if he can do that, and he only needed that= the files had
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that format.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 My idea is to discuss now if there is something wrong wi= th the
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 definitions. You can change little things if you feel it= , and if you
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 want to change something in all the definitions, tell me= and I'll change
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 it in the script. Those files are going to be the ones I= give Robin to
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 upload to jbovlaste.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The columns are:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - valsi
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - definition
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Prefix (I don't know if this should go there.)
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - gloss word (this can be changed)
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - in the sense of (this too)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The last points are where I feel insecure. I can also ma= ke a column with
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "comments", telling that this are ISO generate= d or whatever... and can
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 also have a link to other word meaning the same (like me= rgu'e in
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 gugde'usu).
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The files are:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 htt= p://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdENVckVaOTJLbVdGVE5SeGJ0= MTBTbGc&hl=3Den
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdENVckVaOTJLbVdGVE5S= eGJ0MTBTbGc&hl=3Den>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : countries (247 fu'ivla) and currencies (172)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 htt= p://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGNYUFhrdmV1cmpLeVVQZkNS= U3dBYUE&hl=3Den
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGNYUFhrdmV1cmpLeVVQ= ZkNSU3dBYUE&hl=3Den>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : languages part 1 (from =EF=BB=BFbanga'a'a to b= anlukusu, 3687 fu'ivla)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 htt= p://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdC1ENjlQTmZ1ZjlidFAwWDdv= ZDBUUWc&hl=3Den
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdC1ENjlQTmZ1ZjlidFAw= WDdvZDBUUWc&hl=3Den>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : languages part 2 (from banlukutu to banzuzuju, 4232 fu= 'ivla)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 That gives us a total of 8338 fu'ivla .uesai
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I know it's a really huge number, but this may be re= ally useful .ui
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mu'o mi'e .leos.
>
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com
>
>
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