From lojban+bncCK30vq5WENut_t0EGgSCt29d@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 14:07:01 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0LPj-0003Nz-TL for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:07:01 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf1118709pwi.16 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:06:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=cYFy/MAD6rlQ4yXZeceYKttK0js5PASgzt6yuxQd5Z8=; b=XIf8tTnpEC8v50QV3OFwiMgkPa73dEEU48Ab6mTdRsj7AGXi3rOhafR23I6NTCzcVC nzH1hCyxJqiyba+ARN4uC9LJ2BAnOai+zQg17mu+M5z/q8BHn7oSq4wOS1I9/pH4NjOx 4PBMaNPSRCiaHxbjQSsRn9ppXSiTJOJQlzyj4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=Zbhns7HG3butPIfspbItobRRqGh53lXOnrOO1eSnnV5iW+rWaKavr6pmh7/+8/Imqy FgTp5P8J17g9EWzUjX7wK0QoxFYDev5KO6rgBExIIwkXLSUcYxa1Wl5Pnx0VPywbquPY 4p6DM2k+iuUy03VdnWD80T3tUwu2Im+7kMei8= Received: by 10.141.22.14 with SMTP id z14mr94850rvi.5.1270847195090; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:06:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.187.12 with SMTP id o12ls490562rvp.0.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.18 with SMTP id b18mr110560rvn.14.1270847193163; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.18 with SMTP id b18mr110559rvn.14.1270847193087; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si333269pzk.6.2010.04.09.14.06.32; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.7; Received: (qmail 159 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 21:06:32 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2010 21:06:32 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0LPL-0003NL-EE for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:06:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:06:31 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Response ro Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban" Message-ID: <20100409210631.GK11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <20100409014708.GB11541@digitalkingdom.org> <201004082332.50387.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201004082332.50387.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/d45941da8ead8ff5 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 11:32:48PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 08 April 2010 21:47:09 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > One place where we differ is that I no longer think usage should > > decide *ever*. Unless the BPFK becomes totally controlled by a > > pack of drooling morons, of course usage will be acknowledged > > and respected, and the BPFK may *choose* to promote usage to the > > status of officialness, but we should not let the language drift > > via usage. It should be well specified. > > What will happen once there is a critical mass of verclijbo? Ragnarok? The Second Coming? Shiva dancing the end of time? I have no idea, but I would like it to include them respecting (and being part of!) the BPFK, and vice versa. This isn't supposed to be an antagonistic relationship! > > I also don't think that describing the lanugage is what we > > should be doing. We should be *declaring* the language. > > Does this include declaring the meaning of lujvo and fu'ivla? For dictionary purposes, absolutely. Between dictionary releases, enh. > Can we have some Lojbanists accepting some, but not all, of the > rulings of the BPFK? That question is nonsense to me. What, you think the BPFK will hire jackbooted thugs to knock down people's doors if they use the language wrong? We can't *stop* anyone, we can only say "That's not Lojban [in this fashion]". -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.