From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEJiv_t0EGgTKZW1K@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 14:10:12 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0LSm-0003f2-IR for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:10:12 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf1119126pwi.16 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=dpfkXDrD2vCS/fy9dLkQN0w7+I8/HkNEk79z89kiP/I=; b=fRXOtxQeIvZcTKSZIa3dTPklxgxS4AmI+m703N1dyhIFadlZEgfF5VyoiKMC487AHC K16Gp8qrfhGvYe0arlpdGKpXS9nhHuX2myULZ865pAE3y+sc0DIvyeb9IMsMLnAQ2hSd OZZdRP1vOdEJtXFqCPE1/ejGFV9t3i7YTuSek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=KpTJZGn9359cqJip6NA5D5OnT3H8h+/nlakbbOZ8rL3wU7nQWjC6TS34LgmEkhLjLi 8VoiemTex9cLGCqAfJ/FGkw2sJgAeJFvpwcpAwcatFEeJhV0riUvYQ6cdOUkK9TvrPXk bOWD81UFyBRj/0GAovUnayHq5rjt81RqDu2xc= Received: by 10.140.238.10 with SMTP id l10mr90308rvh.27.1270847384030; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.188.20 with SMTP id q20ls491133rvp.3.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.13 with SMTP id b13mr108796rvn.23.1270847382454; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.13 with SMTP id b13mr108795rvn.23.1270847382428; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si333003pzk.10.2010.04.09.14.09.42; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.4 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.4; Received: (qmail 15917 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 21:09:42 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2010 21:09:42 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0LSP-0003dW-Bq for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:09:41 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. Message-ID: <20100409210941.GL11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <4BBC3CE4.6080803@lojban.org> <4BBDECA2.5000500@lojban.org> <4BBE0713.6030903@lojban.org> <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.4 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/cd3fb44e45b8856a Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 10:32:38AM -0700, Christopher Doty wrote: > If Lojban wants to be mind-bending, awesome. If it wants to be a > language which is logical and consistent, and thus primed to make > in-roads in being widely used, also awesome. But it can't do both > of those things. I totally disagree; it is exactly the logical and consistent parts that are the most mind-bending. That's not how human languages normally work. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.