From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRCv6P7dBBoEv1e2WA@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 16:12:09 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0NMq-0003Nr-L3 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:12:09 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf452578gxk.4 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:11:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=s3bptTWXwd6rIzHoy7E6QHFfvLD6wOibcn5SOGeyeAI=; b=Jzlt+CqZq5VO4hU474gwRNYAIYDaBaRpLYPjpa4m9RoUc6En7yxJr+YolwzecDgq6W hsh69XTihv3pvsNBm0trHNgkgCJd6XnH4iZV3Kwn9o1cwNTftc/hbscdBv843TieLqo9 BcYufhYu8mqpBEE1INBBiDgpiaQY8pinXe5qI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0QsMi2Bzj1lhNC/p0tVr+ly9DQ3Q7nHaz8Ri9l4GpDbOrh6BsArTvF9bBxGzcYX7Jw u+FWYO/cCkJZcBbKs5XWt6LGswT+AobYNBryaO11el84J+MhsSFFOjmh2FTpyq3/zSpa NSF1XOtNr6QuCSl6t0bkWj3eup1mJxHz78D1k= Received: by 10.91.181.11 with SMTP id i11mr168766agp.30.1270854703400; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:11:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.35.68 with SMTP id o4ls451865bkd.1.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.13.70 with SMTP id b6mr50786bka.17.1270854701894; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.13.70 with SMTP id b6mr50785bka.17.1270854701860; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f199.google.com (mail-yw0-f199.google.com [209.85.211.199]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a10si1966051bkc.5.2010.04.09.16.11.40; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.199 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.199; Received: by ywh37 with SMTP id 37so1059827ywh.2 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:11:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.91.20 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 16:11:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BBF9402.2070006@lojban.org> References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> <867212.21796.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BBF9402.2070006@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:11:39 -0400 Received: by 10.101.130.13 with SMTP id h13mr1166115ann.47.1270854699358; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.199 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/606a96af50e1c4a7 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68dbad8ea9a6a0483d5ea7e --0016e68dbad8ea9a6a0483d5ea7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > There aren't many Lojban words with more than 4 places, where there are, as > with klama, the interrelationship of the places may help to keep them in > mind destination-origin-route all go together, so when saying a Lojban bridi > based on klama with all 5 places expressed, in my experience actually > speaking the language, places 2-3-4 tend to unify mentally (and I have used > all 5 places of klama in speech, though x5 tends to be obvious most of the > time and doesn't need to be spoken). I think other verbs of motion that > parallel klama work the same way. > I have always been confused by this ordering of klama's arguments. Mentioning the end-point before the start-point just seems backwards to me. stevo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e68dbad8ea9a6a0483d5ea7e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Bob LeChevalier = <lojbab@lojban.or= g> wrote:
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There aren't many Lojban words with more tha= n 4 places, where there are, as with klama, the interrelationship of the pl= aces may help to keep them in mind destination-origin-route all go together= , so when saying a Lojban bridi based on klama with all 5 places expressed,= in my experience actually speaking the language, places 2-3-4 tend to unif= y mentally (and I have used all 5 places of klama in speech, though x5 tend= s to be obvious most of the time and doesn't need to be spoken). =A0I t= hink other verbs of motion that parallel klama work the same way.
I have always been confused by this ordering of klama's arguments.= Mentioning the end-point before the start-point just seems backwards to me= .
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stevo

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