From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBCd7f7dBBoEeTfKZA@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 16:22:32 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0NWt-0003hh-MV for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:22:32 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf3035760qyk.1 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:22:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=KtJfwnXfOaqOXLFsNtawGoofzIi5GnXatpVXsx4NVjY=; b=3+FOHL9ydYoAyciWMMUVHEPlNPMrvICXsKJ8oBxwg6SbZunZIStcOzqPrjKqPW8VyQ v5JTJ9WZBkdxc3ty/fm0VtaqD3aViCgP5WScUsTLoP+uNAkfjWuFw6+WCXhYZml2XWAK n5wwJLZQk60C8VUS/O5GeYb88esFlZwhVKOwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=XV1WcWdF8DJZQQRy/xgsHSK2Dlp36cp1oPdez6fHpTDpdEW4wGcvkcfQ5Q0o3klMjD ZB1yXlTBUdNcuBwpbgNgO12eH0xEhV5K36CDpJP54HRHbdL1pQj/S8IvJ5SwP5P8tKiL l99dW2e0/U8Uqw7TLc7AM97VGviSy2pV7AHso= Received: by 10.224.85.194 with SMTP id p2mr41345qal.32.1270855325594; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:22:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.32.10 with SMTP id a10ls221787qad.2.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.86.167 with SMTP id s39mr87044qal.17.1270855323743; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.7.36 with SMTP id 36mr1349237agg.10.1270846885668; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.7.36 with SMTP id 36mr1349189agg.10.1270846884448; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si87688yxe.7.2010.04.09.14.01.24; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.9; Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100409210124.VKCN27114.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 17:01:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3Z1P1e00N2hfrC602Z1PHf; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:01:24 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=garkv6WxUlWCZxlYffz6yNGlDVHTZyAXTUdcTJEJ4sc= c=1 sm=1 a=lBOGML6gZwMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=0o8ubElGsX8hi1IF5nIA:9 a=UN0l7_wi4WkUE9x7oouazq5QldoA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BBF95B9.40505@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:01:45 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Cultural fu'ivla: summary and list of the ISO generated ones References: <4BBF505B.2050705@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/f66e2fdee6af20a6 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/bb789330a05e88fe Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Christopher Doty wrote: > My point with starting everything with some form of "bang" means that > your brain will not be able to do anything at all to get any closer to > what you were trying to say. ??? Just the opposite, I think. In Lojban with lots of type 3 fu'ivla, they know that in all likelihood that you are talking about some kind of language. In many instances, the most critical information is that it is some kind of language, in others perhaps, context makes it clear that a language is being referred to and the bang- part is perhaps superfluous, but serves the cause of linguistic redundancy, something Lojban is often criticized as lacking, but is especially applicable to your noisy room problem. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.