From 3Uuu0SwoJBj4xztrnhmwnxlrfnq.htrqtogfslttlqjlwtzux.htr@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 01 11:52:34 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f192.google.com ([209.85.217.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Uuu0SwoJBj4xztrnhmwnxlrfnq.htrqtogfslttlqjlwtzux.htr@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxPV9-0001Fy-Dp for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:34 -0700 Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8sf1979147gxk.12 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=mM+jB5fwsnvhfGJKjsih+be0OeB4Dj6/99kG5nM0wc8=; b=i2QkndyxM4P2iNobpQDVTHohXA9Dr5xPz5XMoQngsZSxcKkuz0t8Plpqk1xk3ioDsv SpLNY9gvCgYvVdX9uk2zHkY3Csy30Fso1PfprYg5HTrAat1QJHyySOhhFbdvG0B0LT5t aMjjmVSyBden7GpBLncFBO6DFoBiVaoOUFP64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=EQBzbUuqBOwVbcIJXgf/LBUKurALLga6ilfgc6Th0afgy2JwOjtzNknlMQ6O9V5E0g xVXO22wBn6T7pSzx/Qgh845t9ZF/BpGADcaHjylskWFtYQayt1XnSvmxVfSgXAGaS5M+ RKcuEC4R9oWaWxdlEmcDCz+jWUNA+BzZsZlBs= Received: by 10.150.248.1 with SMTP id v1mr89105ybh.16.1270147922112; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.248.13 with SMTP id v13ls307338agh.7.p; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.131.19 with SMTP id e19mr2670153agd.6.1270147921454; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.131.19 with SMTP id e19mr2670149agd.6.1270147921354; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f176.google.com (mail-gy0-f176.google.com [209.85.160.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si657609gxk.7.2010.04.01.11.52.00; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.176; Received: by gyf1 with SMTP id 1so567590gyf.7 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:51:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201003312350.52303.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Christopher Doty Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:51:39 -0700 Received: by 10.101.199.23 with SMTP id b23mr3232805anq.206.1270147920093; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/6edf3f52e6f491ba X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/c0c25ac9ac9cec7a Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68deca696edf40483315b32 --0016e68deca696edf40483315b32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, it might not end up working; or, rather, it might have to be a more general, to say, for example, that all of the fu'ivla for languages will be of eight letters (or something), but without any reference to a specific structure... I'll poke at it and see what pops out. 2010/4/1 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Christopher Doty > wrote: > > So, for example, if the language ISO code is > > CCV and the family code is VCV, then they go into a CCV'VCV fu'ivla, > etc., > > for each of the possible combinations. > > The immediate problem I see there is that the CC has high chances of > not being a valid initial, and even not a valid cluster. > > If it's just not a valid initial, you can add an epenthetic vowel in > front to get VC/CV'VCV. If it's not a valid cluster, that's more of a > problem. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e68deca696edf40483315b32 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, it might not end up working; or, rather, it might have to be a more g= eneral, to say, for example, that all of the fu'ivla for languages will= be of eight letters (or something), but without any reference to a specifi= c structure...

I'll poke at it and see what pops out.

2010/4/1 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0=A0So, for example, if the language ISO code is
> CCV and the family code is VCV, then they go into a CCV'VCV fu'= ;ivla, etc.,
> for each of the possible combinations.

The immediate problem I see there is that the CC has high chances of<= br> not being a valid initial, and even not a valid cluster.

If it's just not a valid initial, you can add an epenthetic vowel in front to get VC/CV'VCV. If it's not a valid cluster, that's mor= e of a
problem.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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