From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDIqP_dBBoECP541Q@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 18:29:07 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0PVN-0002Qz-U5 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:29:06 -0700 Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5sf3312447vws.16 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:28:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=tH20RBgYdXikGEjTsq1k2fChcJNgKVk2HfvN0QUgWoY=; b=a+C/YfpwkTJ737jTKKKEOLqniVRI30UedttKqsgoDhYpTiwiojc1mn1CEwO0D+lFzv T/5ExSJPd+4oo6gPg20eI+I9SySqGPkHkmQHH4kharmT8bMOiRnCpQb5AdF1fkYB45YX PUVOYate56xZRxUWxPNL1AQqZZ8+7T7PonKwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=R7mIBIT4AyreZvGHYjhHnGrOccNTi4jtnHDqCUfUeyMYR6uCq+knlmg4kV4Q6d3MqM G2pLt0cnMIKqScdK4ToBhOuGBsyozWqUB80FdnJ0niXUFoW61e5TX9JHqaZSv/fMxgLq Oi0hLNUgLMM8Ow8lXyK/5RG4b61dwciYxb+Dg= Received: by 10.220.89.89 with SMTP id d25mr64128vcm.6.1270862920761; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:28:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.79.22 with SMTP id n22ls207795vck.3.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.99.148 with SMTP id u20mr256255vcn.18.1270862919537; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.99.148 with SMTP id u20mr256253vcn.18.1270862919506; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f199.google.com (mail-qy0-f199.google.com [209.85.221.199]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si4569577vws.4.2010.04.09.18.28.38; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.199 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.199; Received: by mail-qy0-f199.google.com with SMTP id 37so4286968qyk.8 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:28:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.212 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 18:28:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201004092108.00980.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> <201004092108.00980.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 22:28:37 -0300 Received: by 10.229.224.133 with SMTP id io5mr1194435qcb.37.1270862918136; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.199 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/1dc8ae186e5a8db7 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > But when I compared Lojban to a list of universals, I found only one clear > violation (and a lot of n/a's): in a phrase like "these three blue houses", > if all three modifiers are on the same side of the head word, the number is > in the middle of the three. The Lojban is "ci vi blanu zdani", and the word > for "these" is a spatial tense. "ci (lo) vi blanu zdani" is "three of these blue houses", so in the same order as in English. "these three blue houses" is closer to "lo ci vi blanu zdani", and it's hard to say whether it is "lo" or "vi" that contributes the most to the meaning of "these". The definiteness does not come from "vi" in any case, only the proximity. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.