From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEIvv_90EGgSPKuYf@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 20:59:34 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f139.google.com ([209.85.222.139]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0Rqy-0002bE-2A for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:59:34 -0700 Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3sf198590pzk.28 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:59:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=vhWKQWTuv0EoAQOcBftN1+oRMucs02KEicz4QK5aloE=; b=u+peGU9hNoehBKBdtaC2vSzDyHZc0dxXPPfoFlALMTml8WKKXxS8qyskFc6ai/pAIx hE/Kx5fsRyb0rDdDcg6iR3d5j7NWfA9a/1gFMaEeZKHPxMLN3dmS16ijrlbbpT55m59u S1Elpgf06EJFfj7n2RV5NcdXZGhSCyHG3qpIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=fcfYEZJBJjT7o5GjtkZ7a0VZSkCDlXKZmreRo6t5Yq7wtLeM+jl0e5li1+5ASZmH5C T1rxo/KDNUP/QtvDlf6FS6ZxyBb/4/OIkpdSJE+NQflDNEuYkrtK8bgJ0j6xqAaEMO31 2u7oilObhKrB9LFy6tVEpc08QW+U+Gl7Ui4u0= Received: by 10.140.83.37 with SMTP id g37mr117424rvb.29.1270871947040; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.188.22 with SMTP id q22ls574532rvp.1.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.15 with SMTP id b15mr157722rvn.15.1270871945451; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.15 with SMTP id b15mr157721rvn.15.1270871945431; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si389845pzk.13.2010.04.09.20.59.05; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.7; Received: (qmail 11029 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2010 03:59:05 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 10 Apr 2010 03:59:04 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0Rqa-0002af-72 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:59:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:59:04 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] The efficacy of Lojban's grammar. Message-ID: <20100410035904.GS11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> <201004092108.00980.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4BBFDF2F.6050509@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4BBFDF2F.6050509@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/4f6ce694335423bf Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 03:15:11AM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > Probably the most fundamentally unnatural and perhaps even > 'uncognizable' part of Lojban is the formal grammar. The > structures of the formal grammar are nothing like those found in > natural languages. And I rather doubt whether anybody does or can > internalize the formal grammar as part of learning and using > Lojban; When I'm in practice, my statements pass the formal parser (mine, not the official on) on the order of 95 times out of a hundred. I'd wager real money on that. Certainly 8 or 9 out of 10 is true for all the serious speakers on IRC. I'm really not sure what you're on about here. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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