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From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/5b38c5fc11bcfb2b Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 30 Mar 2010, at 20:27, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> Arggh. Why not print Yiddish in the Yiddish alphabet? I'm always disappointed to find Yiddish in transliteration. > > The market for Yiddish in Hebrew script is a lot smaller than once it was; the market for Yiddish in Latin script is much bigger indeed, including German speakers, linguists, and so on. > I second stevo. I can't make heads or tales of the Latin transliteration (not to mention that you cause homophones to know be homonyms as well), but I can understand the Yiddish in Yiddish, and it looks a lot prettier, IMHO. (Which there again, goes to your purpose in doing your project, and where it clashes with the old guard of lojbanists. Are you writing it in Latin to look pretty, or to be correct, or both? Clearly, the Yiddish in Latin isn't "correct" in any meaningful sense (Sure, one transliterates short excerpts of stuff in otherwise surrounding English text, for pragmatic reasons, but I don't think that's an excuse to do an entire book that way). So if you are just interested in doing Alice in Latin alphabets, regardless of of language why don't you (warning -- the following is not a straw man, since you say you don't believe in them anyhow :-) Simply print a version in "gibberish", which a mathematical algortihm to use reasonable word and sentence lengths, and perhaps reasonable consonant/vowel sequencing. (Gee, I'm glad toady is April 1st, so I can say this stuff adn not be taken too seriously, but that is exactly the kind of vibe I get from you when you dig in your heels about issues that the linguistic community feels are nonnegotiable points) --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.