From lojban+bncCMDl9o3BFBCdjIHeBBoEVMVj_Q@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 10 02:34:44 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0X5M-0004EH-5l; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:34:44 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf2193328gyd.16 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:34:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WaBOB1gU/WA5IZmVDGSi4rGwjS115J9OFUs26TWm8rY=; b=xYWvAad8SdpT6Q+Im2ecm75Ta3TCNYPo5q2Wi+5Phlimi5PQkgk2yj36gXtV9sv357 Ct7N6GTfSjb8RplBW14uNiViPnEbJHWaavDTE3SF3J38w4zbuWssP3mNV/LHH7KKHKLJ UTrpGrVse5Wh5AREAdljulLcesOEwgybcuWnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=yrcWY6CinuWf8oIJoH+Vhrf2V+KQ2W8A3cDcPjJUoz5vOBoghEWHXCva8maG+RQWPW gftkcC7epf9tQSljcB7XiM16Jf1cMyGO/hDWuxmcjj1Hbb8OkvouGkHew7EOoNoU5Pkw ah6AzyF3v6jCO705RdTWe9X7N5/Nq4fjPrrKw= Received: by 10.90.19.14 with SMTP id 14mr246397ags.35.1270892061510; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:34:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.87 with SMTP id 23ls582705bky.0.p; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.0.74 with SMTP id 10mr80709bka.1.1270892058857; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.0.74 with SMTP id 10mr80708bka.1.1270892058797; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f51.google.com (mail-ww0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v26si2508444bkt.7.2010.04.10.02.34.17; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.51; Received: by mail-ww0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 28so845261wwb.10 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.157.202 with SMTP id o52mr692827wek.227.1270892057574; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (murrisk2.westnet.ie [88.81.100.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n12sm594799gve.15.2010.04.10.02.34.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 10 Apr 2010 02:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Subject: Re: [lojban] Response ro Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban" From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <4BC0355D.1010508@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:15 +0100 Message-Id: <30280797-E5CA-436E-9D82-9FA7927AE0B7@gmail.com> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <20100409014708.GB11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBF5FB4.5070608@gmail.com> <4BBF76A1.4000604@lojban.org> <4BBFF024.2080101@gmail.com> <4BC0355D.1010508@lojban.org> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/66c4458cbf6d3c31 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10 Apr 2010, at 09:22, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > The trouble is, to the linguists I've dealt with (excepting you, since yo= u just self-identified as one in another post), Lojban is not YET a success= as a language period, and won't be a language until it has a native speake= r community. Allow me to be the second linguist you know who thinks that Lojban is a suc= cess as a language. Whatever its imperfections may be -- ;-) typographic an= d otherwise -- it's got translatable (and back-translatable) literature, an= d there is evidence of people using it to communicate over beer in a pub.= =20 Cornish (which died out in the 18th century but was revived in the 20th) ha= s hardly a native speaker community. There are some isolated native speaker= s who grew up with the language as their parents spoke it to them. But ther= e are many revivalists who can speak and write the language, natively or no= t. Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.