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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 20:55:24 +0100 Message-Id: <633B09E0-855E-4A29-B03C-F3CD157CE0DA@gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <20100329141713.GA29026@sdf.lonestar.org> <5715b9301003291055w30fb5313p8bd52a84f7fa1e6a@mail.gmail.com> <20100329205514.GA24462@sdf.lonestar.org> <59210F50-EF9A-4C81-8CF0-E2B1AE760F9C@gmail.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.226 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/e7d5ccb2353d733b Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 1 Apr 2010, at 20:14, Michael Turniansky wrote: > I can't make heads or tales of the Latin transliteration (not to mention = that you cause homophones to know be > homonyms as well), but I can understand the Yiddish in Yiddish, and it lo= oks a lot prettier, IMHO. Fine, but that's not universal. Yes, it is traditional. But it is by no mea= ns unusual today. For instance, scholar Leonard Wolf translated Winnie The = Pooh unto Yiddish, and this was published with one page in Hebrew script an= d the rest in Latin. See http://www.amazon.com/VINI-Yiddish-Version-Winnie-Pooh/dp/0525463380/ > (Which there again, goes to your purpose in doing your project, and where= it clashes with the old guard of > lojbanists. But not with all Lojbanists, it must be admitted. > Are you writing it in Latin to look pretty, or to be correct, or both? What, the Yiddish? Or the Lojban? > Clearly, the Yiddish in Latin isn't "correct" in any meaningful sense (Su= re, one transliterates short excerpts of stuff in otherwise surrounding Eng= lish text, for pragmatic reasons, but I don't think that's an excuse to do = an entire book that way). The Cat in the Hat was also done in Yiddish, bi-scriptally (with the Yiddis= h in Latin and in Hebrew both). See http://www.amazon.com/dp/0972693904/ > So if you are just interested in doing Alice in Latin alphabets, I don't rule out the possibility of a Hebrew-script Yiddish Alice. The tran= slator and I have agreed to discuss that in due course. But there's no ques= tion that there is a market for a Latin-script Yiddish Alice, as I said: Ca= rrollians, Germanicists, and Jews who don't find Hebrew script inviting. An= d that isn't such an unusual thing. > regardless of of language why don't you (warning -- the following is not = a straw man, since you say you don't believe in them anyhow :-) Simply pr= int a version in "gibberish", which a mathematical algortihm to use > reasonable word and sentence lengths, and perhaps reasonable consonant/vo= wel sequencing. Well. I *am* preparing a Shaw alphabet edition. > (Gee, I'm glad toady is April 1st, so I can say this stuff adn not be tak= en too seriously, but that is exactly > the kind of vibe I get from you when you dig in your heels about issues t= hat the linguistic community feels are nonnegotiable points) Well, the linguistic community is not all at one on this point.=20 I hope to be able to put my thoughts together about narrative and discuss t= hat in the coming days. Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.