From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCn4oPeBBoEHL0PFg@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 10 14:44:31 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0iTa-0006nF-A0; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:44:30 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf2505685gyd.16 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:44:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=b7yv7UQSpEl5AOZdbqESKbNAfjFKPOdNn1BRzOJIWqk=; b=3ot6iqsx38J8TLJXTu+ACA6jY/fVfc30JCcqvOZBs5u/7+LY9D+1lzzXXoC2L6qvf1 LNL5nargHfBhZzUTdkg6mXTeeIJ/NsPNLzmDRTEKcGlGb2nG5DdA2JWqkaEnobJz6yVu V2aNLSrhRcjBNqhR3rr4Nc1z4bJFhHywX1Vdk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=zw+pZ+msE8+dim5hxn04t+J6GpJ694kX4MRkl+oQMHKXuBwL+OWBZ77ec1aKzgckRJ yeoUgql1ILWTaBWGjSYIHzq1GsWVw0TSQVDgR10fs4ujNdXJaKH1GS1+FA3Ob3fluk5J ZtE3hBYWj9XHFKDfxz2jf3SdY0WXuJpfeJepM= Received: by 10.91.91.6 with SMTP id t6mr350684agl.14.1270935847558; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.32.206 with SMTP id e14ls784453bkd.2.p; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.65 with SMTP id n1mr135313bkw.10.1270935845278; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.65 with SMTP id n1mr135312bkw.10.1270935845195; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.144]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h3si3176997bke.0.2010.04.10.14.44.03; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.144 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.92.144; Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1587691qwk.42 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:44:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.212 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:44:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> <201004092108.00980.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4BBFDF2F.6050509@gmail.com> <20100410035904.GS11541@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:44:03 -0300 Received: by 10.229.186.211 with SMTP id ct19mr2975791qcb.16.1270935843237; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The efficacy of Lojban's grammar. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.144 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/cc25a4f0a6031522 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > ta'o >> "lo melbi ko >> li'i cerni" (have a beautiful morning, or literally, be the >> experiencer of a beautiful experience of a morning). > > I'm having a little trouble parsing this myself. =A0Let's see. =A0{lo mel= bi ko > li'i cerni} =A0-> =A0{lo melbi ku cu li'i cerni ko} ? > > Could someone with a bit more knowledge break it down correctly for me? {lo melbi (ku) cu li'i cerni (vau) kei ko (vau)} You can't elide "kei" if you put "ko" at the end. >=A0How > many sumti are there, which chunk is the selbri (if any), etc... "li'i cerni (vau) (kei)" is the selbri, "lo melbi (ku)" and "ko" are its two sumti. Remember that "NU .... (KEI)" converts a bridi, in this case the bridi "(zo'e) cerni (zo'e) (zo'e) (vau)" into the selbri: "li'i (zo'e) cerni (zo'e) (zo'e) (vau) (kei)". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.