From lojban+bncCMDl9o3BFBD34oPeBBoES6oQkQ@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 10 14:45:51 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f140.google.com ([209.85.210.140]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0iUr-0006ui-Ui; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:50 -0700 Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4sf2199607yxe.28 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bhrn5VETph0ZEByCmjd3Bt5BwyQkpTGsvsTW+AIMxxU=; b=MxFXBoLbbjKbX/hqQmH4KE2ISadEdcLmT2djA6tjEP3pDawvBxuS5BJMQ4bct2pk1n npCiKhxLcnkeIwMVxAUa2m+5b1LJvuWYjwfHxBPv/RS67XiSoimSggB0G+UVkyuDbCVY zDnlGnzdmIt8BtpwMHBKPwqTBA3brKeENSTrY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=xg80FhxrYgsW9z+LR2l3m1V14+mbWpz5tF643GhX0wETKEw7brQMFl40QagnohwE2u wx+N9az9zlZm2eTvwOD3aKu4R4jXIeHlZaVnHLCrvRzozXQcP5aWG9ENyclfEv+wq/1M WDZeR+t5GnPzH0STByL39WURwcd8yG19NqBOQ= Received: by 10.91.209.13 with SMTP id l13mr340510agq.17.1270935927424; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.32.206 with SMTP id e14ls785026bkd.2.p; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.16.81 with SMTP id n17mr124956bka.31.1270935926023; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.16.81 with SMTP id n17mr124955bka.31.1270935925951; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e24si3176194bke.2.2010.04.10.14.45.24; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.47; Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so1493808wwb.6 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.163.67 with SMTP id z45mr1133655wek.26.1270935924742; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (murrisk2.westnet.ie [88.81.100.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm1431970gvf.17.2010.04.10.14.45.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Subject: Re: [lojban] Response ro Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban" From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <8CCA70C59E211E4-1AB8-1DCB3@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:45:23 +0100 Message-Id: <324B71F9-826E-4042-BBEE-00B92F2315E4@gmail.com> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <20100409014708.GB11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBF5FB4.5070608@gmail.com> <4BBF76A1.4000604@lojban.org> <4BBFF024.2080101@gmail.com> <4BC0355D.1010508@lojban.org> <4BC0B3CE.5040005@gmail.com> <8CCA6F068EC8210-1A3C-934F@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> <132833F1-0520-4DCB-BDDE-312E4376FCDA@gmail.com> <8CCA70C59E211E4-1AB8-1DCB3@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/5598604736686a1a Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10 Apr 2010, at 22:31, Seth wrote: > i dont know... all but a few of my classmates and professors all but spit= when prescriptivism, conlangs, or orthographies are mentioned. those thing= s aren't "real linguistics" to them. when i have told them about Esperanto = having natives, they entirely disregard the phenomenon as "not important". = maybe my ling department is just particularly biased, but it is a large dep= artment, not just one isolated nazi. Then they are just bigots with their own narrow agenda.=20 Seriously, that's just dumb. Neologisms are no different from conlang engin= eering. Iceland has a whole institute (=CDslensk m=E1lst=F6=F0) for devisin= g new terminology. That's not any different from what Zamenhof or his follo= wers did, or what Gode did for Interlingua. Real linguists study Tolkien's = languages both because he was a great linguist (lexicographer as well as co= nlanger). Linguistics is a lot bigger than what some universities think it is, appare= ntly. But if your colleagues can't take joy in Quenya or Lojban, that's evi= dence for their blinkeredness, nothing more. Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.