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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/5fbd0e827551e940 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > hmm, so I parsed it correctly then? You only forgot the "kei". > So how does that translate into "be > the=A0experiencer=A0of a good morning"? =A0The x2 of {cerni} (ko in the s= entence) No, the x2 of "cerni" was left empty. > is the day of which the morning is. =A0So wouldn't..... oh, nevermind, I = just > got it. =A0The {li'i} would make the x2 into the experiencer or something= . Right, "ko" is not filling the x2 of "cerni", it is filling the x2 of "li'i zo'e cerni zo'e zo'e kei", a different predicate. mu'o mi'e xorxes > 2010/4/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Luke Bergen >> wrote: >> > ta'o >> >> "lo melbi ko >> >> li'i cerni" (have a beautiful morning, or literally, be the >> >> experiencer of a beautiful experience of a morning). >> > >> > I'm having a little trouble parsing this myself. =A0Let's see. =A0{lo = melbi >> > ko >> > li'i cerni} =A0-> =A0{lo melbi ku cu li'i cerni ko} ? >> > >> > Could someone with a bit more knowledge break it down correctly for me= ? >> >> {lo melbi (ku) cu li'i cerni (vau) kei ko (vau)} >> >> You can't elide "kei" if you put "ko" at the end. >> >> >=A0How >> > many sumti are there, which chunk is the selbri (if any), etc... >> >> "li'i cerni (vau) (kei)" is the selbri, "lo melbi (ku)" and "ko" are >> its two sumti. >> >> Remember that "NU .... (KEI)" converts a bridi, in this case the bridi >> "(zo'e) cerni (zo'e) (zo'e) (vau)" into the selbri: "li'i (zo'e) cerni >> (zo'e) (zo'e) (vau) (kei)". >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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