From lojban+bncCLi-v_X3FRDX-YPeBBoEai_YQQ@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 10 15:34:24 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0jFq-0001R1-5i; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:34:24 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf4449485qyk.1 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:34:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:organization:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=8en1/RfIEhpYGcsWfEE+e4diUqUYMK7nSOg05GsciwM=; b=IEwEUHpGD2sY0/sQ8uiSkoXrRogEu6HfmSIQH0pwCOoos0mA5NreK+Io19qaQIu8d1 NVbmt4N5OvxcodXe26Z5W1bxfNdDBJudZLkgA/hOpNjOjaAthx2jCyuUYK55ljomvVil k+V+qtFnHepZVFHXA5Zr3B67YogHb1cPZXOxI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:organization :user-agent:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=JaAmHR0YWJuI062Je5Ol8zhh33s0ajeM1KqLy+4V6kbdt0zqEeZURscFO0jXDDPGwI exXIJd74SP6zl6Uqt8xyHevxIgEzyPKPxI8IXZOByBYRDC7ZFw3+7WN8Ehi0dHVW9xni Q51ew2w4OAhprxgHglnSGUf7XaHC7u9/taGe8= Received: by 10.224.97.138 with SMTP id l10mr93659qan.49.1270938839964; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.42.12 with SMTP id q12ls413357qae.0.p; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.75.134 with SMTP id y6mr193369qaj.26.1270938838316; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.161.68 with SMTP id q4mr491763vcx.5.1270935932655; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.161.68 with SMTP id q4mr491762vcx.5.1270935932622; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (ol.freeshell.org [192.94.73.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si6881719vws.5.2010.04.10.14.45.31; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) client-ip=192.94.73.20; Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3ALjLdD015133 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:45:22 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id o3ALjLdL010454 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:45:21 GMT Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:45:21 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] The efficacy of Lojban's grammar. 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Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > > "lo melbi ko > > li'i cerni" (have a beautiful morning, or literally, be the > > experiencer of a beautiful experience of a morning). > > I'm having a little trouble parsing this myself. Let's see. {lo melbi ko > li'i cerni} -> {lo melbi ku cu li'i cerni ko} ? > > Could someone with a bit more knowledge break it down correctly for me? How > many sumti are there, which chunk is the selbri (if any), etc... > Thanks. .skamyxatra It's "{lo melbi [ku] cu li'i cerni [vau kei] ko [vau]}." The key thing to note here is that "{li'i}" belongs to {selma'o} NU, and so it converts a {bridi} (in this case just "{cerni}") into a {selbri} with the place structure "x1 is x2's experience of [bridi]." Thus, "{lo melbi ko li'i cerni}" translates as "A beautiful thing is your (imperative) experience of morning" or "Have/experience a beautiful morning." mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- do ganai ka'e tcidu dei gi djuno lo dukse -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.