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Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:35:40 -0400 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <20100409014708.GB11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBF5FB4.5070608@gmail.com> <4BBF76A1.4000604@lojban.org> <4BBFF024.2080101@gmail.com> <4BC0355D.1010508@lojban.org> <4BC0B3CE.5040005@gmail.com> <8CCA6F068EC8210-1A3C-934F@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> <132833F1-0520-4DCB-BDDE-312E4376FCDA@gmail.com> <8CCA70C59E211E4-1AB8-1DCB3@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com> <324B71F9-826E-4042-BBEE-00B92F2315E4@gmail.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Response ro Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban" Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:35:39 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 76.8.216.14 In-Reply-To: <324B71F9-826E-4042-BBEE-00B92F2315E4@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Seth X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 31423-STANDARD Received: from 76.8.216.14 by Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com (205.188.108.140) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:35:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8CCA7154820494D-1AB8-1E385@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: Thirderivative@aol.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; 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Then they are just bigots with their own narrow agenda.=20 Seriously, that's just dumb. Neologisms are no different from conlang=20 engineering. Iceland has a whole institute (=CDslensk m=E1lst=F6=F0) for de= vising new=20 terminology. That's not any different from what Zamenhof or his followers d= id,=20 or what Gode did for Interlingua. Real linguists study Tolkien's languages = both=20 because he was a great linguist (lexicographer as well as conlanger). Linguistics is a lot bigger than what some universities think it is, appare= ntly.=20 But if your colleagues can't take joy in Quenya or Lojban, that's evidence = for=20 their blinkeredness, nothing more. Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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-----= Original Message-----
From: Michael Everson <michael.everson@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: [lojban] Response ro Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban" 
On 10 Apr 2010, at 22:31, Seth wrote:

> i dont know... all but a few of my classmates and professors all but s=
pit when=20
prescriptivism, conlangs, or orthographies are mentioned. those things aren=
't=20
"real linguistics" to them. when i have told them about Esperanto having=20
natives, they entirely disregard the phenomenon as "not important". maybe m=
y=20
ling department is just particularly biased, but it is a large department, =
not=20
just one isolated nazi.

Then they are just bigots with their own narrow agenda.=20

Seriously, that's just dumb. Neologisms are no different from conlang=20
engineering. Iceland has a whole institute (=CDslensk m=E1lst=F6=F0) for de=
vising new=20
terminology. That's not any different from what Zamenhof or his followers d=
id,=20
or what Gode did for Interlingua. Real linguists study Tolkien's languages =
both=20
because he was a great linguist (lexicographer as well as conlanger).

Linguistics is a lot bigger than what some universities think it is, appare=
ntly.=20
But if your colleagues can't take joy in Quenya or Lojban, that's evidence =
for=20
their blinkeredness, nothing more.

Michael

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