From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBCHrITeBBoEE7JO_Q@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 10 17:21:49 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0kvq-0006lx-8c; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:21:49 -0700 Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14sf424433vws.16 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:21:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Ke/57c0sj+gnXnaW24siXa7MJa0lfFtp4I02/6s+RvM=; b=1VBZHY3/G6uEHGxGw+EUvlWxdTH6f2eQ75jERxOoBfnC7g3XJVyJ/2Vo3okOiHPtiD NEBC+3tqwy1Cm+atOTGUECT0dpP4K3T0hR9FXhZg5dho/+pCuQXsx8I8b1P9+/RvMOHt 1jUucpl9pKuBmnRIu0Z8y4J/c25v+Q+mhcGJo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xp0gzWWdEYNEraMbE09YN6oMhQPo3fUYujbMj93ffO0gV31UDVXGQ0CiRrDNhIjVrE ynqc+1W7K8fRRZqBWvNJUC24b2gbDn3pYmuAeDwQ8ttYdRrnVoZqCEI/qjG+w4PNI0y8 E8v8v/AHGSTs8bsHDoyWbpcCCBDIEc/7XGpv0= Received: by 10.220.88.99 with SMTP id z35mr138341vcl.4.1270945287579; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:21:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.47.17 with SMTP id l17ls423644vcf.5.p; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.85 with SMTP id h21mr492865vcy.12.1270945286151; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.85 with SMTP id h21mr492864vcy.12.1270945286124; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 21si7174221vws.1.2010.04.10.17.21.25; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.7; Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100411002125.ZSYU14747.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:21:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 40MR1e0022hfrC6020MRMZ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:21:25 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=garkv6WxUlWCZxlYffz6yNGlDVHTZyAXTUdcTJEJ4sc= c=1 sm=1 a=f8h2ccynpPgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=Y_8_l80Gkj1R8D76UfYA:9 a=Af_jGyuvDVU4l2AWrdYA:7 a=hn4W9L-i1cPTbIuwR4OCfoKY8sAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BC1167B.3090209@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:23:23 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Response ro Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban" References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <20100409014708.GB11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBF5FB4.5070608@gmail.com> <4BBF76A1.4000604@lojban.org> <4BBFF024.2080101@gmail.com> <4BC0355D.1010508@lojban.org> <4BC0B3CE.5040005@gmail.com> <8CCA6F068EC8210-1A3C-934F@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> <132833F1-0520-4DCB-BDDE-312E4376FCDA@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <132833F1-0520-4DCB-BDDE-312E4376FCDA@gmail.com> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/1ebcbab3015de5be Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Michael Everson wrote: >>So, yes, they consider all conlangs as games, as opposed to languages people actually speak, which are "natural" phenomena worthy of study. > > > Oh, do keep your generalizations to yourself. This is really annoying. It may be annoying, but a lot of us have had precisely that reaction from a lot of academic linguists. There are exceptions, but unless things have changed, the pages of "Language" and other professional journals are not well studded with articles citing Esperanto, Lojban, or any other conlang, but might have cites from obscure natlangs with fewer speakers than Lojban has. And submitting a paper could indeed get a hostile reaction from peer reviewers (or as the other poster indicated, from the professor teaching your class). Things MAY be easing up a little, because people like Nick Nicholas with his PhD in Linguistics knows how to talk the professional lingo, and say the right words to sell the language as being linguistically interesting. He has managed a journal article about Lojban, but not in a major journal. pc is probably more qualified than I am to talk about the difficulty of being an academic supporting artificial language research. The 8 years he spent editing JCB's "journal" were not exactly good for his professional career. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.