From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCFroTeBBoEjS8s4Q@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 10 17:26:04 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f140.google.com ([209.85.210.140]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0kzw-0006zM-56; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:26:04 -0700 Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4sf2245568yxe.28 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:25:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=wTiwqJG2bAV0lRDY4XgXTuuuvHUOl/+UAbxYtoWxyvg=; b=GchaYh8K1chAa87511JkTQN95Z6PZEJTkKv2swAUFJzBra42x2PVlf9dswmjNARGVN H3/4r2C7k6MpLoZzxYOUEgj7591pZO740v8lcPgJkLh7eSkZ6kYkhRcpN4w/IfRLDJwv wDUFx3wzHgRcEMZMFLN6khpiJajAYcHYK7qCw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=G9KfaLTJE/VB5461KbIt3o25ysWfgv7OvniAVb4P3hEwV+guAZsyakr/fPbWAMLz/p p3XbpN+ywUQI742171sgdS0+qGeBgq+VImEeZojHM2/SouC81NDdQq1XkTO5PFofwVhU OBcAIbpmuF8mh0Ctp8iVMRBz8/zKzQ5O2JX9s= Received: by 10.90.20.18 with SMTP id 18mr352875agt.34.1270945541582; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.32.206 with SMTP id e14ls828879bkd.2.p; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.26 with SMTP id e26mr132134bkw.38.1270945539883; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.26 with SMTP id e26mr132133bkw.38.1270945539833; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h3si3313151bke.4.2010.04.10.17.25.38; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.50; Received: by wwi14 with SMTP id 14so1617257wwi.37 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:25:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.146 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:25:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <078DB51F-20AE-47C2-9993-1FF5ED195811@switchb.org> References: <078DB51F-20AE-47C2-9993-1FF5ED195811@switchb.org> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:25:38 -0600 Received: by 10.216.88.16 with SMTP id z16mr1113172wee.126.1270945538563; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] smart.fm flashcards - obvious wrongness From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/487c947183e4e8cb X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/d17f6293c163f13a Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d63fe05adff20483eb11d4 --0016e6d63fe05adff20483eb11d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The smart.fm program chooses the various selections itself- there is no way to alter it. Fortunately, only the first few runs (like, say, the first 4 or 5 sessions of 10) really have this problem. As you progress in the goal, the items for review become increasingly less ordered- that is, increasingly unlike the order presented when looking through the content list. For instance, I've been doing that lesson for about 3, 4 weeks, and of the 10 items I have in a session, absolutely none of them are from the same gismu. (This, by the way, is part of why I argued against sorting them in usage order, and leaving them alphabetical- after a (very short) while, the original order doesn't matter much at all- the program feeds you the items based on how well you retain them. True, the items are presented to you for the first time in the order they are in on the content list, but that doesn't mean you'll be going through them in that order.) On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Kevin Reid wrote: > I'm trying using the gismu set on smart.fm . > > I find that whenever I'm quizzed about a gismu place, the answer is always > obvious because the current session is dealing with only a few gismu, and > out of all the possible answers there is only one item which (if > Lojban->English) is plausibly for that gismu or (if English->Lojban) is one > of the gismu sumti being used in this test. > > As a result, it doesn't really challenge me to learn the *positions* of the > places of a gismu (e.g. that the route is {te klama} as opposed to {ve > klama}, because the answer will always be the only one having to do with > klama/going). > > Is there any chance of some sort of solution to this? > > -- > Kevin Reid > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e6d63fe05adff20483eb11d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The smart.fm program chooses the various se= lections itself- there is no=20 way to alter it. Fortunately, only the first few runs (like, say, the first= 4 or 5 sessions of 10) really have this problem. As you progress in the go= al, the items for review become increasingly less ordered- that is, increas= ingly unlike the order presented when looking through the content list. For= instance, I've been doing that lesson for about 3, 4 weeks, and of the= 10 items I have in a session, absolutely none of them are from the same gi= smu.

(This, by the way, is part of why I argued against sorting them in usag= e order, and leaving them alphabetical- after a (very short) while, the ori= ginal order doesn't matter much at all- the program feeds you the items= based on how well you retain them. True, the items are presented to you fo= r the first time in the order they are in on the content list, but that doe= sn't mean you'll be going through them in that order.)

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Kevin Reid = <kpreid@switchb.= org> wrote:
I'm trying using the gismu set on smart.fm <http://smart.fm/goals/266809>.

I find that whenever I'm quizzed about a gismu place, the answer is alw= ays obvious because the current session is dealing with only a few gismu, a= nd out of all the possible answers there is only one item which (if Lojban-= >English) is plausibly for that gismu or (if English->Lojban) is one = of the gismu sumti being used in this test.

As a result, it doesn't really challenge me to learn the *positions* of= the places of a gismu (e.g. that the route is {te klama} as opposed to {ve= klama}, because the answer will always be the only one having to do with k= lama/going).

Is there any chance of some sort of solution to this?

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