From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEOmuhN4EGgRo0RB4@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 10 17:27:45 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f146.google.com ([209.85.222.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0l1X-00071a-Sf; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:27:45 -0700 Received: by pzk10 with SMTP id 10sf703333pzk.25 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:27:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=QBz4CNcteIpOCQKETVjUNhcQcwip3d8X74hmUchHJwY=; b=RRg8kNnTHB5q1AUl8flp4xknx7q3qt1VGryUjWbOAs7897iUdsZ1+76upvkH5i/cyc N7ITJ0JnmZE6qbmaz2qtr5D2oZe3zqTMMcX/+9NAqAckq6+BYULsBmSc7kxi9dRN6Qgz pLMHRiek/lwzMBugrFXJjLAm/u6xkP3s9OuUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=dNtAB5vck/h7UTJ5SLqF9oSSMOUCru5Zie/L+bKfV8il6yrJ0SNP9W6SdDkCB6AC56 EEn1RRUBPeGjXPV7YBVkw76zmpjL67fdZrnT2yynQxL1+bJW/bwX/C3uAFRZecLsOatp lg7JOMgd4ZfmGZr+Kzuk7O8m0ZdVHFQy3p200= Received: by 10.115.101.12 with SMTP id d12mr136250wam.1.1270945641807; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:27:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.114.250.4 with SMTP id x4ls562056wah.3.p; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.6.34 with SMTP id 34mr364973waf.26.1270945640749; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.6.34 with SMTP id 34mr364971waf.26.1270945640716; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.6]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si578311pzk.2.2010.04.10.17.27.20; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.6 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.6; Received: (qmail 8937 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 00:27:20 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 11 Apr 2010 00:27:20 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0l1C-00071Q-OG for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:27:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:27:18 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] smart.fm flashcards - obvious wrongness Message-ID: <20100411002718.GC31246@digitalkingdom.org> References: <078DB51F-20AE-47C2-9993-1FF5ED195811@switchb.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <078DB51F-20AE-47C2-9993-1FF5ED195811@switchb.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.6 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/487c947183e4e8cb X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/bb2bc59e177b25d9 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline (this should really be on the beginner's list) On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:55:23PM -0400, Kevin Reid wrote: > I'm trying using the gismu set on smart.fm 266809>. > > I find that whenever I'm quizzed about a gismu place, the answer > is always obvious because the current session is dealing with only > a few gismu, and out of all the possible answers there is only one > item which (if Lojban->English) is plausibly for that gismu or (if > English->Lojban) is one of the gismu sumti being used in this > test. > > As a result, it doesn't really challenge me to learn the > *positions* of the places of a gismu (e.g. that the route is {te > klama} as opposed to {ve klama}, because the answer will always be > the only one having to do with klama/going). > > Is there any chance of some sort of solution to this? There is no technical solution to this in the smart.fm setup that I'm aware of. My personal solution is to not click "quiz me" or "next" until I'm sure I know which it is. I haven't gone so far as to deliberately click a wrong answer if I get it wrong in my head, but I'm considering it. I find the drill application more likely to come up with two genuinely likely options than the iKnow application, by the way. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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