From lojban+bncCO2N0YfCFhCezITeBBoEsds4-w@googlegroups.com Sat Apr 10 18:30:31 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0m0G-0001VN-Pz; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:30:31 -0700 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21sf2370952gwj.16 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:30:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:x-originating-ip:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=lWYk/RUVDGWID899W6K3vi4C61KV8QteKG/W/kWZMSk=; b=VK6IHJFkrA+1175GoWyc0sYrHHnAr53yXx9BH/h0vQYtXMG0yVlgZgiI7uPe5T4ARi Q6sz6t2V+Lt4vi+iVIkG/hVQq6L3GGfH1sLksA09OVcu6+Gb1clwnbK/6UoOwTP0xK4L HYpK/idqrc5YROVbvl2fz7/k3UKVtTvoD4LZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-originating-ip:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=y34C+K5sBSGUKu/ve5IkJwj8qGpZgbQa50hVJHmI9RjNlzCe4o7jKSGtRPDMp4AKaF n8FTXrDD74it3sBbkcDYmENPXT0pWm6uyo5pbEOpjgthr3JbZWqzm2Qdh0mjHYuIeUQq oVHr3QX8vhvG6cjMecxz7IIVx4q7/VtGWqyDI= Received: by 10.91.56.20 with SMTP id i20mr364660agk.22.1270949406584; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:30:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.114.131 with SMTP id e3ls95267ibq.3.p; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.170.68 with SMTP id c4mr219859ibz.2.1270949405619; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.170.68 with SMTP id c4mr219858ibz.2.1270949405600; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kcout02.prserv.net (kcout02.prserv.net [12.154.55.32]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si389976iwn.15.2010.04.10.18.30.05; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 12.154.55.32 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) client-ip=12.154.55.32; Received: from 216-171-189-244.northland.net ([216.171.189.244]) by prserv.net (kcout02) with SMTP id <2010041101300420200e0tm4e> (Authid: usinet.kpreid); Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:30:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.171.189.244] Message-Id: From: Kevin Reid To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <20100411002718.GC31246@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [lojban] smart.fm flashcards - obvious wrongness Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:30:02 -0400 References: <078DB51F-20AE-47C2-9993-1FF5ED195811@switchb.org> <20100411002718.GC31246@digitalkingdom.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 12.154.55.32 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) smtp.mail=kpreid@switchb.org X-Original-Sender: kpreid@switchb.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/487c947183e4e8cb X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/d2c6df9ad0d97660 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Apr 10, 2010, at 20:27, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > (this should really be on the beginner's list) I didn't send it there because I figured it was a technical ('designing the smart.fm lojban material') argument that would be noise there. > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:55:23PM -0400, Kevin Reid wrote: >> I find that whenever I'm quizzed about a gismu place, the answer >> is always obvious because the current session is dealing with only >> a few gismu, and out of all the possible answers there is only one >> item which (if Lojban->English) is plausibly for that gismu or (if >> English->Lojban) is one of the gismu sumti being used in this >> test. [...] > There is no technical solution to this in the smart.fm setup that > I'm aware of. Well, I don't know what smart.fm's model is, but it at least manages to present only the appropriate *type* of phrases (e.g. if the question is "something x" then the answers are all "lo [SE] BRIVLA" and not "BRIVLA" or in English); I assume, however, that it might be impractical to extend this to per-gismu associations, or that it would eliminate ever seeing a wrong answer with the wrong gismu. > My personal solution is to not click "quiz me" or > "next" until I'm sure I know which it is. I haven't gone so far as > to deliberately click a wrong answer if I get it wrong in my head, > but I'm considering it. Having to stop and think about my own performance was one of the most tiresome aspects of using SuperMemo on the Palm, for me. smart.fm as it is seems to be much more conducive to getting into flow. [But is that good for learning?] I don't have to remember *not* to click ahead (except that I wish the study screens, which are display-this, pause, display-that, *looked more different* from the other screens because I often click through them without recognizing them since I'm in the mode of 'glance at question, click next, pick answer'. On the other hand, perhaps it's just that it hasn't caught up with my actual skill level yet and once I have more not-immediately-recognized items the steps will be more natural.) -- Kevin Reid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.