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spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/487c947183e4e8cb X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/d588db686615d3a Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 09:30:02PM -0400, Kevin Reid wrote: > On Apr 10, 2010, at 20:27, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:55:23PM -0400, Kevin Reid wrote: > >>I find that whenever I'm quizzed about a gismu place, the answer > >>is always obvious because the current session is dealing with > >>only a few gismu, and out of all the possible answers there is > >>only one item which (if Lojban->English) is plausibly for that > >>gismu or (if English->Lojban) is one of the gismu sumti being > >>used in this test. > [...] > >There is no technical solution to this in the smart.fm setup that > >I'm aware of. > > Well, I don't know what smart.fm's model is, Yes, exactly. :) > but it at least manages to present only the appropriate *type* of > phrases (e.g. if the question is "something x" then the answers > are all "lo [SE] BRIVLA" and not "BRIVLA" or in English); I > assume, however, that it might be impractical to extend this to > per-gismu associations, or that it would eliminate ever seeing a > wrong answer with the wrong gismu. I don't know if it's impractical or not, because I have *absolutely* no idea how it selects what to show in the multiple choice boxes, nor any idea how to exert control over it: it's a total black box to me. > > My personal solution is to not click "quiz me" or > >"next" until I'm sure I know which it is. I haven't gone so far > >as to deliberately click a wrong answer if I get it wrong in my > >head, but I'm considering it. > > Having to stop and think about my own performance was one of the > most tiresome aspects of using SuperMemo on the Palm, for me. > smart.fm as it is seems to be much more conducive to getting into > flow. [But is that good for learning?] I don't have to remember > *not* to click ahead (except that I wish the study screens, which > are display-this, pause, display-that, *looked more different* > from the other screens because I often click through them without > recognizing them since I'm in the mode of 'glance at question, > click next, pick answer'. On the other hand, perhaps it's just > that it hasn't caught up with my actual skill level yet and once I > have more not-immediately-recognized items the steps will be more > natural.) I'm very much hoping the latter is true, and want to hear from you if it turns out to be. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.