From lojban+bncCMDl9o3BFBDzkIjeBBoEiWYh1Q@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 11 10:36:13 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O114n-0002Gk-Kl; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:36:13 -0700 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21sf2732528gwj.16 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zWrPR1eaV1a9SOylCM32uPmsUlfcjybpk047QCjgHDk=; b=L3dad8MrYDzgSq6mbLafh8WPArIcbQ3RXJarDo76hjd9YdsAAWXIN26ylz5Ek4K0X0 IHSqN1ayGe5a9StUZeaklGjSwBp4NwNM8PCqV1MsCYWyuHxXD3AFRZn1Wb7j21Wa+TES JiKZ5BKB4D/9mK4mgSmluoV6nQy8C5i1T4qWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=hfFLSIITsVcb+ZnyIx77Ks8/2B8/uRpyknJepPFV5kuY7bzkf4bXUer0dbqi5EvgUo fC6UpE1o+MDV6B3xK8Yl+H4/b+jxKwlh9+IUYK7r1HT71cdNqjhD7nBe84ouElIavvbZ 9aC5iKVKPxc2ABAI4HeMugtrfz+Ej9vfIUKkY= Received: by 10.91.85.16 with SMTP id n16mr490647agl.2.1271007347529; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:35:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.77 with SMTP id 13ls1159717bky.3.p; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.48.214 with SMTP id s22mr202340bkf.6.1271007345206; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.48.214 with SMTP id s22mr202339bkf.6.1271007345181; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v26si4214012bkt.3.2010.04.11.10.35.44; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.42; Received: by mail-ww0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 39so297190wwb.15 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.89.12 with SMTP id b12mr1627935wef.93.1271007343914; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (murrisk2.westnet.ie [88.81.100.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm2515065gvf.17.2010.04.11.10.35.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Response ro Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban" From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <7a8f5108-2ba7-498e-a7a7-00b620d22e8f@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:35:41 +0100 Message-Id: <1E543C27-352B-4924-9E90-23D29AC1ED5A@gmail.com> References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <20100409014708.GB11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBF5FB4.5070608@gmail.com> <4BBF76A1.4000604@lojban.org> <4BBFF024.2080101@gmail.com> <4BC0355D.1010508@lojban.org> <4BC0B3CE.5040005@gmail.com> <8CCA6F068EC8210-1A3C-934F@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> <132833F1-0520-4DCB-BDDE-312E4376FCDA@gmail.com> <8CCA70C59E211E4-1AB8-1DCB3@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com> <324B71F9-826E-4042-BBEE-00B92F2315E4@gmail.com> <7a8f5108-2ba7-498e-a7a7-00b620d22e8f@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/b952bf22482f56a1 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11 Apr 2010, at 12:41, sigvaldi wrote: >> Seriously, that's just dumb. Neologisms are no different from conlang en= gineering.Icelandhas a whole institute (=CDslensk m=E1lst=F6=F0) for devisi= ng new terminology. >=20 > =CDslensk m=E1lst=F6=F0 has got nothing to do with creating words or term= s, that is something that the population, the users of the language does. In point of fact, I knew people who worked there in the early 1990s, and th= ey said that they did in fact receive calls from people who wanted to know = what the Icelandic words for new things were. I knew people who worked on t= he T=F6lvuor=F0asafn (the computer terminology dictionary), published by th= e M=E1lst=F6=F0. Having *myself* been involved with the development of Irish computer termin= ology, I can tell you that much vocabulary *is* created by committees of pe= ople, and does not just "well up" from the populace. I recall one story that someone had build a bowling alley and named it "B= =F3ling" but people were unhappy at a barely-assimilated loanword being use= d. At length "Keila" was chosen, if I remember correctly.=20 Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.