From lojban+bncCMruiMGUARD4_4jeBBoEgikJaQ@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 11 14:33:03 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O14m2-0000uy-Hy; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:33:03 -0700 Received: by gwj19 with SMTP id 19sf85588gwj.16 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:32:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:date :in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:received :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MBP8pN3I2rQtgYZmcx95drepieQepoPeM368hsSMHzE=; b=F+UCliKfjSmCKWndSf6cC4nVgSi/MZ1Bb0JbvTdSkgyjAwWM0LLNUsL9mGsOWh+IsE +PvGM4rGJ3u9ZevB3x/vRsdBJdtlM1Tzjx+PgKqfE4XqPaOkUh1D5vLtuwVpragUh9k2 ZHLUmoKN6vskbRlx66km1Lvm6wi/IEVYhxqOU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XyimKgX/D5R7M9bo21hNJ5wJquZZQO06gh7baVRJrwZFdFPurr7GNujZ7GpvZjO8/z 4cDKFhHzcnAAX91wD/X29Ba7kfydfENAHJTyg723T5PJf2pplcRpZ3pkOkVMnkTJAGSV 1audZv1KZqe9e1JnjFInfiEyC0GBQZVP1Y6yw= Received: by 10.150.242.2 with SMTP id p2mr95082ybh.78.1271021560452; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:32:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.234.22 with SMTP id g22ls285228ybh.7.p; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.127.23 with SMTP id z23mr3053448ybc.7.1271021558912; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.42.40 with SMTP id p40mr2544807agp.3.1271014209776; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.42.40 with SMTP id p40mr2544805agp.3.1271014209682; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f158.google.com (mail-yw0-f158.google.com [209.85.211.158]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si175970yxe.10.2010.04.11.12.30.09; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.211.158 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of sigvald@binet.is) client-ip=209.85.211.158; Received: by mail-yw0-f158.google.com with SMTP id 30so1550995ywh.8 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1E543C27-352B-4924-9E90-23D29AC1ED5A@gmail.com> X-IP: 85.220.89.153 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <20100409014708.GB11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBF5FB4.5070608@gmail.com> <4BBF76A1.4000604@lojban.org> <4BBFF024.2080101@gmail.com> <4BC0355D.1010508@lojban.org> <4BC0B3CE.5040005@gmail.com> <8CCA6F068EC8210-1A3C-934F@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com> <132833F1-0520-4DCB-BDDE-312E4376FCDA@gmail.com> <8CCA70C59E211E4-1AB8-1DCB3@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com> <324B71F9-826E-4042-BBEE-00B92F2315E4@gmail.com> <7a8f5108-2ba7-498e-a7a7-00b620d22e8f@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <1E543C27-352B-4924-9E90-23D29AC1ED5A@gmail.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; InfoPath.2),gzip(gfe) Received: by 10.101.165.19 with SMTP id s19mr76719ano.19.1271014209482; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Response ro Robin's "Essay on the future of Lojban" From: sigvaldi To: lojban X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.211.158 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of sigvald@binet.is) smtp.mail=sigvald@binet.is X-Original-Sender: sigvald@binet.is Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a42ff9b1da6bee5c Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Apr 11, 5:35=A0pm, Michael Everson wrote: > On 11 Apr 2010, at 12:41, sigvaldi wrote: > > >> Seriously, that's just dumb. Neologisms are no different from conlang = engineering.Icelandhas a whole institute (=CDslensk m=E1lst=F6=F0) for devi= sing new terminology. > > > =CDslensk m=E1lst=F6=F0 has got nothing to do with creating words or te= rms, that is something that the population, the users of the language does. > > In point of fact, I knew people who worked there in the early 1990s, and = they said that they did in fact receive calls from people who wanted to kno= w what theIcelandicwords for new things were. I knew people who worked on t= he T=F6lvuor=F0asafn (the computer terminology dictionary), published by th= e M=E1lst=F6=F0. Yes, the M=E1lst=F6=F0 collected and made public the collections and could direct callers to those who were creating the words. > Having *myself* been involved with the development of Irish computer term= inology, I can tell you that much vocabulary *is* created by committees of = people, and does not just "well up" from the populace. Yes, committees of computer users just as the committe on aviation terms are people associated with aviation in some way. None of them worked at the =CDslensk M=E1lst=F6=F0 but their findings were published by them. The committe on aviation terms came about because of a general lack of Icelandic words in the field so a few aviation minded people met and formed a committe. They were assisted by the M=E1lst=F6=F0 when that starte= d but I think the committee was older. Most of the best known neologisms (s=EDmi (telephone or as rits=EDmi, the telegraph) t=F6lva (for computer) etc, were created long before the =CDslensk m=E1lst=F6=F0 was formed. =CDslensk M=E1lst=F6=F0 does not exist anymore, they became part of another institute but Icelanders are still creating new words nonetheless. > I recall one story that someone had build a bowling alley and named it "B= =F3ling" but people were unhappy at a barely-assimilated loanword being use= d. At length "Keila" was chosen, if I remember correctly. Yes, and not by someone from the M=E1lst=F6=F0 I guess. > Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.