From 3Wse0SwsJBiIKRSPLG8LQIWEK8GJ.AMKJMH98LEMMEJCEPMSNQ.AMK@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 01 09:19:00 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Wse0SwsJBiIKRSPLG8LQIWEK8GJ.AMKJMH98LEMMEJCEPMSNQ.AMK@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxN6d-0007Cf-EK for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:18:59 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf342371pwi.16 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:18:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q0LVPIQKdmXbdxb5XPYDS+aj7MZJdG3bNzSeC1SRnqY=; b=PisxpFvo52IWipowDVmsOz0u5ba6nQHZbQitTc4S8nmHUFpSE73x4yQG1m5S5cNl0E ZyQbRYQHMvQBWnD8HnYQwtVd9in643ejo0P5k2BwjKL1AA+Y6UKw+kfDOIbPpB2KB6rs XTgYhdi9kJaScuk/DNrfFSlvhzSJOODjqS3Qk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=1ds3y1pXSPHbEwwvFe9tcQXkqAFSCSyLsdwZkAgKHbFTVSae6D5PAkEm3zPt/ghV11 U7b5aXq7V1z9S9R5tnoivstxRzZQfzmIKJlOvlSROyEfTsv3jZqjOFUAV7UzRhnfXp0P ks68s410/14Y+s+sRZZOqm0tXwnpg0PgyUVgU= Received: by 10.141.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr39317rvl.1.1270138714667; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:18:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.188.22 with SMTP id q22ls737362rvp.1.p; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.2.7 with SMTP id e7mr137781rvi.6.1270138710285; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.2.7 with SMTP id e7mr137780rvi.6.1270138710263; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pw0-f53.google.com (mail-pw0-f53.google.com [209.85.160.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si1753179pzk.6.2010.04.01.09.18.29; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.53; Received: by pwj10 with SMTP id 10so1069294pwj.40 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:18:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.154.21 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 09:18:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <702226df1003291109p6508ea18q8fd9cd68f593a70c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> <702226df1003290731i3cbaeb3fs9db2d49a667273b1@mail.gmail.com> <44AE9DF1-8DD8-4134-895C-054AA27AE1EC@gmail.com> <702226df1003290810r9685560v7ef251bdfb421911@mail.gmail.com> <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <702226df1003291006o242c37a8q6bc5ea53b6e6377d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003291109p6508ea18q8fd9cd68f593a70c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:18:28 -0400 Received: by 10.142.2.17 with SMTP id 17mr351181wfb.76.1270138709093; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/81e27cd194d7956f Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > Insofar as Lojban is concerned, {la.mari,=E1n.} and {la.mari,An.} are the= same > thing. {la.mari,An.} is much more common, as "A" is easier to type. (On > standard U.S. keyboard, for instance, "A" is +a, "=E1" is + 0,2,2,5>.) > =A0I'm surprised no one in this long thread has yet mentioned the convention that I use, indeed, the convention that the CLL uses, mari,AN. =A0Or has everyone just tacitly said, "Oh, this is ugly, let's just move on"? Chris Doty: > > I mean, I am certainly a newbie, and maybe my understanding is flawed, bu= t I was under the impression that not much of anything >had been written in Lojban--the Alice text, the Tao Te Ching, maybe the De= claration of Independence, plus a handful of original > works. =A0Unless I am wrong about how much text there is, I don't think t= hat small corpus that exists now should preclude any > change whatsoever. =A0xorxes indicated earlier in this thread that he'd b= e happy to revise la .alis. and work with others, and then post > an update= d/corrected version. =A0Why couldn't the capitalization and punctuation be = changed at the same time? Ummm. No. Besides all the text referenced in here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Texts+In+Lojban (which includes translations of The Little Prince, the book of Esther, the Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin, Metamorphosis, the Prophet (although I think that's unfinished), there are over 1000 articles in the lojban wikipedia, lojban newsblogs, other stuff written in lojban around and about the lojban.org tiki, and hundreds of thousands of more ephemeral utterances in irc archives, jbotcan,and twitter, and Google Buzz and Wave. So, the written corpus that uses the communal conventions is quite large. > something that delineates two sentences from each other (. in the case of= most scripts, .i in the case of Lojban), followed by a > capital letter. For me, this makes it far easier to skim a text, as I ca= n look for the two things that one normally looks for. I do think a lot of is, despite your protestations, Anglocentic. If you were a German, you might insist that capitalizing every noun is the only way that truly makes things easy to read. I read plenty of Hebrew and Yiddish and Aramaic things. Not a capital letter in the bunch, since such a thing doesn't exist. (Would I like to have some punctuation on some of those things that don't, like the Talmud? Yeah, but that's a separate issue than the capitals.)) --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.