From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEKbJjd4EGgSgYbfp@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 12 11:21:51 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f146.google.com ([209.85.222.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O1OGV-0007G3-32; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:21:50 -0700 Received: by pzk10 with SMTP id 10sf1236229pzk.25 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BQ4/cwbAQWLlXKVy0pnu8XIYsP3nViZY/Q4LaSJ8SfM=; b=dBnUcgWV/AdG0tszN0AGzyEQXThJtaqxQSJ+gOH3rDYclv4bBLYXArYWzwn4ZufRF0 lYx32RdYwQelzuc3ITDDq5uhHZTMn16ql8hxE87bsPvC19OsxvCWl5RMTzI14YtftwVy LLSKzeAbl6sVCw2K0hDgs25f8F14X/zEWAk3g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=lPw/TdMOQZLR9fHWUBjwJM8+rUd0qj9GUdlp74h4FZ2k0fenTrCr1LYJZjUDmQdrcq CdYWqYs2dM7RI+FZK3ejQJfSC8AoYdcWeMgMbtPl1zswBx2G2dkvNP74D8tjGfrvU0q3 DDeeMz7obKZNk75ifd9a7+ZxIDGvH/9Wl3d6E= Received: by 10.115.101.19 with SMTP id d19mr292584wam.27.1271096486477; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.38.17 with SMTP id q17ls1048141waj.0.p; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.15 with SMTP id b15mr757543rvn.0.1271096485425; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.15 with SMTP id b15mr757542rvn.0.1271096485397; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si935757pzk.13.2010.04.12.11.21.25; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.9; Received: (qmail 19879 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 18:21:24 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 12 Apr 2010 18:21:24 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O1OGB-0007FA-Gs for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:21:24 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:21:23 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] The efficacy of Lojban's grammar. Message-ID: <20100412182123.GR20647@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100409002127.GA11541@digitalkingdom.org> <201004092108.00980.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4BBFDF2F.6050509@gmail.com> <20100410035904.GS11541@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/b801fbefc521bece Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 06:53:53AM -0400, Stela Selckiku wrote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > > > When I'm in practice, my statements pass the formal parser > > (mine, not the official on) on the order of 95 times out of a > > hundred. =A0I'd wager real money on that. > > > > Certainly 8 or 9 out of 10 is true for all the serious speakers > > on IRC. >=20 >=20 > Agreed! >=20 > It's quite easy actually to speak properly parsing Lojban. Most > of the time it's entirely habitual, not so much using your > understanding of the grammar directly, but rather > pattern-recognizing a wide variety of familiar conventional forms. > It's only rarely that you produce or encounter a sentence shape > that dips into the complexities of the grammar to find something > new. Just for the record, you just agreed with *arosta*, not with me. :) I was asserting that people actually *do* use the formal grammar internally, and you're asserting you don't. I'm OK with being an exception on this, though, as long as what people say still parses. :) > For instance I'm reminded of my recent joy at the phrase "lo melbi > ko li'i cerni" (have a beautiful morning, or literally, be the > experiencer of a beautiful experience of a morning). =20 Oh, that *is* quite neat. -Robin --=20 They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.