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To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.117 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c67f210addc06a0c X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/b77cff025938377e Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hopefully, you all mean "parses with the intended interpretation. It's eas= y (when in practice) to write licit Lojban sentences; it is less easy to ge= t ones that say what you want. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 1:32:24 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] The efficacy of Lojban's grammar. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > I was asserting that people actually *do* use the formal grammar > internally, and you're asserting you don't. > > I'm OK with being an exception on this, though, as long as what > people say still parses. :) I'm with you on this, but I do suspect we are in a minority. Of course I don't have the full official formal grammar internalized (well, we don't even have a full official formal grammar yet, but you know what I mean) with all the silly bells and whistles, but I'm pretty sure that I parse the important core parts as intended in the formal grammar, at least that's how it feels like to me. Hopefully one day we will remove the most egregious silly parts from the official formal grammar, but probably not very soon. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.