From 3jcHDSwgJBl4CAP.KNAJCI6EH.8KIHKF76JCKKCHACNKQLO.8KI@groups.bounces.google.com Mon Apr 12 17:58:12 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3jcHDSwgJBl4CAP.KNAJCI6EH.8KIHKF76JCKKCHACNKQLO.8KI@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O1US7-0002Ye-2V; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:58:12 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf1905236pwi.16 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:received:received :mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references:from:date:received :message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9tkwjkQQ0y0A52JK2sC+xpDmyXkHE33YeRQl8w8gp/E=; b=CkIXflevcgyTXsa4GLOtNbLsAxOTAOl+eUVAcE6wzn5Bicrxom2PvNbu1V+zCa0eho weogwT54gWJsxHwJkmlv9qiMm+yk3RgfJwmctbgvUmy43IOQUsa/HVa/EsG+hoQUxCKS a8twuhgCFhlR5GwXRdGym9B6FdaY9tal4WCGk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=qMWMw6BZxNRMqbT/8Bjc8lKaeaV1yUfuJRQYrUvNW5iYXvHl3EthjhxMzxMXA1b4Sz p8B9ezXbtMBDmfHf7HNEb9Fx0kOPZ5VNL8ErQIihxI7bK6jhgYmFqtRNcvPQLcD2y3NS 73DaXi/rlYl0iD8DTA3EvrMC+XYtec25drgpI= Received: by 10.141.124.4 with SMTP id b4mr140936rvn.16.1271120269045; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:57:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.188.22 with SMTP id q22ls132198rvp.1.p; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.7 with SMTP id b7mr819024rvn.7.1271120266136; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.7 with SMTP id b7mr819023rvn.7.1271120266112; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1002682pzk.8.2010.04.12.17.57.44; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.3; Received: (qmail 13178 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2010 00:57:44 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 Apr 2010 00:57:44 -0000 Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O1URi-0002YL-TN for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:57:43 -0700 Received: from mail-pw0-f67.google.com ([209.85.160.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O1URc-0002XU-Qh for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:57:42 -0700 Received: by pwj4 with SMTP id 4so1018098pwj.10 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:57:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.109.10 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100412203154.GU20647@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100412203154.GU20647@digitalkingdom.org> From: Oren Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:57:10 +0800 Received: by 10.142.6.35 with SMTP id 35mr2241692wff.79.1271120250260; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] [lojban-announcements] Web programming request, *very* simple. I think. To: lojban-list@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/c6573c67e5a48ad8 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/1bd85dadd733c102 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yea, I have been thinking about what a lojban site using Drupal would be able to accomplish, and managing content like corpus elements is the sort of thing that would be dumb-easy (any other fans of CCK in the house?). I've got my own development server, and can get a prototype for the content management part up this week. Can you send or link to the 80-percent lojban validation script? -me The script to collect the entries together is only as difficult as determining specifications for the corpus-- one big block-o-xml is trivial. I think the most forward-thinking implementation allows for uploading lojban translations with optional original texts. Managing associated translated texts is benchmark two. Then in my dream world, the original texts get exploded into sentences, and there is a separate interface on the website to align the original sentences to lojban translations, which any lojbaner could do, in turn generating a bunch of well-formed and meaningful bi-lingual example sentences for learners [you know, to fill in some example sentences on jbovlaste], and then when we all lose our jobs and have years of free time, the corpus linguists among us could get a decoder up on this shit and start cranking out awful automatic translations from natlangs into lojban. Just imagine-- with a prescriptive grammar we could always ensure syntactically valid awful translations. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 04:31, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > FOLLOWUPS TO: preferrably me privately, or the main list. > > It would be really, *REALLY* nice for the BPFK if we had a large > corpus of Lojban text all in one place. > > To that end, what I'd like is a system that does this: > > 1. =A0Sends email to a fixed address (probably the BPFK list) on every > change. > > 2. =A0Accepts input of either uploaded files or URLs, with > descriptions and such. > > 3. =A0Presents a list of same that allows for changing the URL or > description, or re-uploading if it's a file. > > 4. =A0Once an hour or so, runs through everything, strips crap like > HTML out, and makes one giant text file out of it, with delimiters > saying which part came from which. =A0Provides a constant URL to the > latest version. > > Things I can help with: > > A. =A0You're welcome to an account on lojban.org ; it's a Debian Linux > server > > B. =A0I have code that checks on a line-by-line basis for text that is > at least 80% Lojban; we could have the sources stored by this system > optionally (a checkbox or something) pass everything through that > code. > > C. =A0Stripping HTML or TeXInfo or just about anything else is > absolutely trivial for me; I can help with that part. > > This looks to me like about a 5 hour job; if it looks much longer to > you, either you need to find a better web framework or I've failed > to communicate what I have in mind. > > -Robin > > -- > They say: =A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm =A0thinking: =A0"Does it even occur to you to try for something > other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cd= iz > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > -- > The mail came from the "Lojban Announcements" Google Group. =A0You are pr= obably not subscribed to that group directly. =A0All mails to this group ar= e forwarded to all major Lojban groups. =A0See http://www.lojban.org/tiki/L= ojbanic+Forums for details about what this list is for, including how to co= ntact the management. > > To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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