From 3oRjESwgSBsk6043Bt00sxvx8p0zx2vs31.36v03yqp2v33v0tv63947.r31@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Apr 13 00:09:44 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3oRjESwgSBsk6043Bt00sxvx8p0zx2vs31.36v03yqp2v33v0tv63947.r31@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O1aFh-0001VL-9k; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:09:43 -0700 Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32sf1829705pvb.16 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:09:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=RCvcTqKoQS6aUAxiHpEjWDfi8/HdPXQnnYhWteotY0U=; b=twSPdznDvu15BcUGKsRxNal0JB26UwLTWmCNPuH20f3N1gDu07o/JS4g5zI87dbeOT SNwjcoNxT3A5MNtt2CMTpR7aqHiys3UYFGe3L7Qj7ra23bx0KH2yoH0E9wzHVdD0/RPQ NicVSHaMZoZxMwLMxMT426a0qlwHhLc8GspFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=YOGyaHjOYRTbGDB3zzz5bI0Hdyn2e38nrSkgAh9BOp1RX/ATCW84PznNB0YhQkMPJr WaKJRC13AwTJTgqPLIvOQecd2ROSSYJuXdiDJEZLx1UedtFG6j/2A+yEkKgQ1RjiC6GC nAFRit6UbBQKWjBaO1MgQx7nXfH7AV/LNz9SA= Received: by 10.115.100.14 with SMTP id c14mr337484wam.9.1271142561421; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:09:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.8.28 with SMTP id 28ls123060wfh.0.p; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.248.39 with SMTP id v39mr883458wfh.26.1271142559109; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.248.39 with SMTP id v39mr883457wfh.26.1271142559078; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si1078433pzk.2.2010.04.13.00.09.19; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.8; Received: (qmail 16254 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2010 07:09:18 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 Apr 2010 07:09:18 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O1aFJ-0001Uo-Al for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:09:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:09:17 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Yet Another Tangent: my first cmavo definition Message-ID: <20100413070917.GX20647@digitalkingdom.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/db7f825f58124ec4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9cf0ab37ebe3d122 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 11:43:07PM +0800, Oren wrote: > I guess the real question is, after 13 years, how do we make this > happen. Robin's essay includes some new nomenclature, but no > fundamental refutation of the current policy; he and others appear > to be saying that by reaffirming the BPFK's authoritative role in > proscribing proper lojban, things will fall into place. > > It was supposed to take six months back when you still introduced > the WWW by its full name (read the original announcement). Now we > have a wiki and several hundred subscribers to the English mailing > list. Let's get the cmavo definitions done. Here, I just tried > one, someone check it for me. > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Attitudinal+Modifiers#Proposed_Definition_of_be_u I very much appreciate you doing this. :) I just wrote, and posted, http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Community+Work to basically ask for more of the same. I'm afraid my template doesn't match what you did very well, and I specifically asked people not to do the parenthetical chatting-on-the-wiki-page thing, but I still think it's great you went ahead and did it; gives me some hope that maybe *this* time the larger community will actually help. :) -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.