From 340C1SwgJBiUTFMDLJLVHNBJM.DPNMPKCBOHPPHMFHSPVQT.DPN@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 01 17:57:32 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f192.google.com ([209.85.217.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <340C1SwgJBiUTFMDLJLVHNBJM.DPNMPKCBOHPPHMFHSPVQT.DPN@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxVCS-0002Z6-97 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:57:32 -0700 Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8sf2241833gxk.12 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:57:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:from:date :received:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=m335LeQikA37QZ3mENuDUW09hQmIAFmFaIdgcjwwzws=; b=gPKBhgpFd1abNw/mZcuN8EsjBTPFf2AEQ2+1YSRIgbXxN5cHiwjjw/PM53wVTMU7xo FaFej++g/Hsl9gjtrlRrdQi82mx3o4W9zjCs1gRuEWbi4wz0tmIRuUByTTWFdHtauXnS KAe577XqCioUCRzVgffLDOQUqGIUj5mL1yUII= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=G0KiZSh5hvHdorC33j2vXPC1vRmC3mRHwOK8Lh/b3YL9aQPMtY6nB47QDyjy2rQHyC P+Vi0m89hT9SFLOCH8QglTMCsEwZD4H7mqp/1+1jjwuRdVZSsbFYBjl+UXB28ctrV8OJ fD98vqG1y/6Jv9dS/vOL78cGblDf11Pgx5kkI= Received: by 10.101.138.8 with SMTP id q8mr57768ann.31.1270169827424; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:57:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.160.26 with SMTP id m26ls344790ago.4.p; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.24.19 with SMTP id b19mr2247876agj.11.1270169820894; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.24.19 with SMTP id b19mr2247814agj.11.1270169816748; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f197.google.com (mail-yw0-f197.google.com [209.85.211.197]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si689439gxk.15.2010.04.01.17.56.55; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.197 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.197; Received: by mail-yw0-f197.google.com with SMTP id 35so1054616ywh.24 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:56:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.16.132 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:56:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Stela Selckiku Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 20:56:35 -0400 Received: by 10.101.204.37 with SMTP id g37mr362922anq.28.1270169815381; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] So what do we say for Swedish? (was "Summary: Cultural fu'ivla") To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b7cc2efa3fc3ba64 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/86c55154c0eb68d4 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds great in theory, doi cultural fu'ivla reformers! In practice, though, here is a question that actually confronts me in speaking Lojban day-to-day: What do we say for Sweden and Swedish? What I've mostly seen in use is the cultural fu'ivla space "sfe'ero" and the outr=E9 experimental gismu "zvero". I preferred "sfe'ero" on principle, until I actually tried pronouncing both of them out loud! :) It's all well and good to talk about the theoretical issues that might come up someday when coining terms for all the Bantu languages, but I think we might get a clearer view of those issues if we could first convincingly resolve the issues that we're already encountering in the language as we use it. The way we're heading now is towards cultural fu'ivla for everything, none of which are used, and cultural gismu also for any culture that actually has any Lojbanists or that we regularly talk about. That's not what any of us want! But that's where we're headed! We need not just an idea of what would be a more rational method, but a strategy for how we're going to move the language in the new direction we choose. mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.