From 3xazESwoJBoIqgroFv0zxg4gnuu.iusruphgtmuumrkmxu0vy.ius@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Apr 13 10:41:51 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3xazESwoJBoIqgroFv0zxg4gnuu.iusruphgtmuumrkmxu0vy.ius@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O1k7L-0008HX-Mj; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:41:50 -0700 Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14sf893908vws.16 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NuGkOcH46BR5W6q+omsWhXpsvRCxPX0BHNkvY78myRA=; b=2tQRI6McBQnRW/JXoNpGYCfvirY9Eu55yTTprO6nOvtdPHq8m/SDnxNp14G/ishG6G B5ScJQMxxB638DL2KsjjzNvvcgeTzGHJ1/kkmq4oDPE2TbnF8iPOgSKgcjdVpaZr2GD5 Lv/TwQkCe5ndOl/+VeiYg+1F93odloKoA9Jjk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DfQncJlSYNaxJdpvnPGf5IARDmjP5DT3rw2dksr7irCsClCibN36aJszus9/zEwVDW wiWuNmyzJkLr7aqNsjZ4cRO4/DWi8MMWBYp6+A3HzW+SImF/zH1WjWt2v+Yx9bD6mo2G h+VaJICiq3UietCbAcdR6moEqfxiWOmngfshU= Received: by 10.220.124.66 with SMTP id t2mr453767vcr.33.1271180485471; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:41:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.47.17 with SMTP id l17ls12570vcf.5.p; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.160.69 with SMTP id m5mr1296518vcx.7.1271180483655; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.160.69 with SMTP id m5mr1296516vcx.7.1271180483632; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 31si15028340vws.4.2010.04.13.10.41.22; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.120 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.120; Received: (qmail 85475 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2010 17:41:16 -0000 Message-ID: <808704.84236.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dPZlf14VM1ntAr7tLSOlE7pL3bkHPO.FLBVmKGmxu3_6hUg .JBmvWQycLzwOnjGB38cLPTZ2jivR1IrexdqJcu4MgC7eM1dvBiz05.JxtRg utRBRQgQWwre96Bav6JhKUd9XfNkiT4kTuDp8_aregQ0JNslr7lLeyEotnZN wm2JsMlRcDGpfobqNs1nbgObqe5w5pr58yXp7oSH_ATr3Q9oWck.KdiPdwZf w4Vuc1RW8BhTgcWjpE56FBrMGku5RyAFgi1LTgT70hEjRuIg1OIjLyc3HfNq ATsLJNqDR6HZzqrazXCFQkOV6VM_J Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:41:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <4BBF197D.6080601@lojban.org> <20100409222518.GN11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BC02ABC.8000300@lojban.org> <4BC1D15A.5030409@lojban.org> <4BC36464.8010707@gmail.com> <4BC3B98F.5070805@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.120 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/f6713401051ee4fc Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (pc will probably want to argue that there is an objective rock bottom, but let's stay away from that putative rock bottom for the moment so that we have the two perspectives easily available.) Geez, Louise, do I really say stuff like that? Yes, I suppose I do (don't = bother citing the references). Of course, if we shift the frame we can get= down to something else -- not necessarily deeper, but different. In any c= ase this doesn't have a lot to do with 'le', whose specificity (or whatever= you want to call it) derives from its deictic character: the referent is a= lready picked out and then it gets a label attached. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.