From 3a77ESwoJBjogWhe5lqpnWuWdkk.YkihkfXWjckkchacnkqlo.Yki@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Apr 13 11:57:06 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3a77ESwoJBjogWhe5lqpnWuWdkk.YkihkfXWjckkchacnkqlo.Yki@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O1lID-00060o-Ql; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:57:05 -0700 Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14sf943418vws.16 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:56:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OuyLSmIiTaHb03xDx9ITjvnBjSSb/Ho9E6oRerNI8+A=; b=evwUEqq/bSKDeL06SYOk/aFcACydR3k3Dy048RDP0QYcvrPeCEp981Ziq+NPJopbUA ncrE6qOtUbjae8P+zFJZT50Bss23OpZ8P8EriU9qdxrw3cEVh/kocME9zIUMeDAVDhcB ynb8NJejBmPmumLThG+k85uqjda1ImbGv5Ee8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=6BhBHWCIRbVVWsTW7AQ/0TDKvj1j+y1B+1DNkdWj1qS8j3lYi3KUJCsUcbzVDJDW3Y eT8Lb2SCKJN5NzDo7rPW+dtgIlnym4UKjXkytFkiuXvTqcfJBF1reW/h4bGtzvJLjs8p C8cRsuSshWak6N6TMzGs1byFodTGPNtGh0LSU= Received: by 10.220.122.234 with SMTP id m42mr468481vcr.29.1271185003787; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:56:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.113.209 with SMTP id b17ls22240vcq.4.p; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.48.9 with SMTP id v9mr3648419agv.5.1271185002073; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.48.9 with SMTP id v9mr3648417agv.5.1271185001961; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 24si309667yxe.9.2010.04.13.11.56.40; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.122 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.122; Received: (qmail 52848 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2010 18:56:40 -0000 Message-ID: <448505.50300.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HQsb_i0VM1k0caBkjSlKQnwMafFI8n20IhleCNr72KeAdRJ NKMMdUujS7.83Z.wpYYfBr_x7UL8xI897JB5ihxBkVXB0vQajVA15ZCfa.DQ sXP01rqieWZ97NSY1cgkQpMiHLyEIcBaVXWdCsi_PKOSYSPLcW.vtTLyHHRB .VN78eUYZNP5wPS2zOx7eu0tTLIuOYE9W6V.4.rtcAMV65Q0WmiX9pTFrruV tzda44e57bGnA3xD5xkTwCelXQ3a_FCJlZUYE7Xghe8QjTTXcGe22x2un2eY WlI4W27HBDlVo6eYpuCKT6xrJgd9Yizd2uY9daJnokjmMo5a6gQAoPTDSGcA uFypVlS1GLV2cn63SqEQx6aGmp7DW7t.SofUP Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:56:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <4BBF197D.6080601@lojban.org> <20100409222518.GN11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BC02ABC.8000300@lojban.org> <4BC1D15A.5030409@lojban.org> <4BC36464.8010707@gmail.com> <4BC3B98F.5070805@gmail.com> <4BC4B763.6070903@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BC4B763.6070903@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.122 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/46cbab758c2bb563 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ---- From: And Rosta To: lojban@googlegroups.com > taking some subset, those that satisfy broda. I can't get my head round the notion of multiple referents. To my way of th= inking, the referent is the group; if one derives from that the predicate "= x is a member of the group referred to", then certainly the poi/noi distinc= tion makes sense. Hence to me, KOhA poi/noi is comparable to "li mu (ku) po= i/noi" (in which perhaps more clearly the poi/noi contrast would seem to be= vacuous). Welcome to the club, of sorts. But do not despair; you can have your cake = and xorxes his without more than verbal befuddlement. The logic of multipl= e reference and quantification is exactly the same as the logic of L-sets (= mereology, the part-whole relationship: Lesniewski, Goodman, Leonard, Quine= ), so saying 'some brodas' or 'a bunch of brodas' works exactly the same wa= y (pace Ockham). =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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