From 3fOHESwoJBm4WMXUvbgfdMkMTaa.OaYXaVNMZSaaSXQSdagbe.OaY@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Apr 13 14:26:47 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3fOHESwoJBm4WMXUvbgfdMkMTaa.OaYXaVNMZSaaSXQSdagbe.OaY@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O1nd0-0008Fa-OE; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:26:43 -0700 Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14sf1012570vws.16 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K99ily3iplPQm+cpXTBNbHhC40r0lAFkvyYve9KfkHo=; b=G72ZlhDSaa1/nRUPdCJDS9JBGMHAlnthsPt+nj8zkZGmVnJffzJt2UJxZ+ncXS8jRg LsNJhcWMGhe30ULvmnIhqOYznxYft3PQ6NDFTvmJU30XT/swN8tC1bGBy9dBJjBY8w8h 84c0UoNAHYu6CtVvmT3A9SoHgjL8PBb30UaUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ejwRWb3Yj7wlWjgQDF3BfcAjMRi4NU8phsgGLlUg9s75i17blzbIOlrLxOvmdzS7NF +2TnnKr7M/8xyBdDBPxuEf+ZSiq0gfQPTsxws9Wv7QLqBvhFNkKaqyi5FDc6OCTIGQVy ySYYgCaOsyqL4DPH8zDA50pwI4Vv5bEwQU4ic= Received: by 10.220.127.15 with SMTP id e15mr487944vcs.23.1271193980982; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.79.85 with SMTP id o21ls55690vck.0.p; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.131 with SMTP id i3mr1256445vcy.22.1271193978745; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.131 with SMTP id i3mr1256444vcy.22.1271193978727; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 29si15514759vws.2.2010.04.13.14.26.17; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.119 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.119; Received: (qmail 79720 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2010 21:26:17 -0000 Message-ID: <201585.79379.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _2Xz2YUVM1mjw2xOMJlBY1N8jUCiBjprqoRR1Zn8A367diU i0QoRSIrYiVfIy.tx73YhWdDThzT7GQPkTR5fPcVgexSsqI925hHfw8QtqPZ cvsXnOxck_GJgwsxc7_0ogUUtPhCHw6z6aksYseg_VVkeHAWZsqh7YwV0W4I KB60CZUXIhEr0JGey4JQagwppyWSyd1FrVpItOn.Q8rWtFVI2Je.aIP7jjqN aJKWHScrkP1Uttwlxq.1bG6jwv0GqpByMUMVJkze73RFYFp.R7RbW5HJHKOX FVy613UJfsQcR7Mfw05vIZyiPkEfW1tQX.zLJHQfoCwkHQyN90NgEyV.WcxV Q2kew91UJjnKCBbzczrOO5IOjp5a1UJTfmj5f Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:26:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <4BBF197D.6080601@lojban.org> <20100409222518.GN11541@digitalkingdom.org> <4BC02ABC.8000300@lojban.org> <4BC1D15A.5030409@lojban.org> <4BC36464.8010707@gmail.com> <4BC3B98F.5070805@gmail.com> <4BC4B763.6070903@gmail.com> <448505.50300.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:26:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <448505.50300.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.119 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/12d8c4d59b830589 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ummm! I think that the quantifiers behave differently for 'lo' and 'loi' = 're lo ci gerku' is two of the three dogs acting individually but 're loi c= i gerku' is a bunch of two, i.e., acting still together. There's something= about fractional quantifiers as well, but I am even less sure how that wor= ks: 'pire lo'i gerku' is maybe halves of dogs for 'lo' but, I think, still = a bunch of dogs half the original size for 'loi'. ----- Original Message ---- From: John E Clifford To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 1:56:40 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo ----- Original Message ---- From: And Rosta To: lojban@googlegroups.com > taking some subset, those that satisfy broda. I can't get my head round the notion of multiple referents. To my way of th= inking, the referent is the group; if one derives from that the predicate "= x is a member of the group referred to", then certainly the poi/noi distinc= tion makes sense. Hence to me, KOhA poi/noi is comparable to "li mu (ku) po= i/noi" (in which perhaps more clearly the poi/noi contrast would seem to be= vacuous). Welcome to the club, of sorts. But do not despair; you can have your cake = and xorxes his without more than verbal befuddlement. The logic of multipl= e reference and quantification is exactly the same as the logic of L-sets (= mereology, the part-whole relationship: Lesniewski, Goodman, Leonard, Quine= ), so saying 'some brodas' or 'a bunch of brodas' works exactly the same wa= y (pace Ockham). =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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