Tape it back up! I may be having a flashback to an = argument in Loglan umpty ump years ago. And there may be othe reasons= for not thinking that 'lo' and 'loi' (and 'le' and 'lei') mean the s= ame thing, give the vagueness (to be polite) of the concept of "mass".
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From: Luke Bergen <lukeab= ergen@gmail.com>
To:= lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 4:29:09 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo

> There's something about fractional quantifiers as well, but I = am even less sure how that works:

> 'pire lo'i gerku' is maybe halves of dogs for 'lo' = but, I think, still a bunch of dogs half the original

> size for 'loi'.

My brain just 'sploded a little.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM, John E Cliffo= rd <kali9putra= @yahoo.com> wrote:

Ummm! I thi= nk that the quantifiers behave differently for 'lo' and 'loi' 're lo = ci gerku' is two of the three dogs acting individually but 're loi ci gerku= ' is a bunch of two, i.e., acting still together. There's something a= bout fractional quantifiers as well, but I am even less sure how that works= : 'pire lo'i gerku' is maybe halves of dogs for 'lo' but, I think, still a = bunch of dogs half the original size for 'loi'.

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From: John E Clifford <kali9putr= a@yahoo.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=

Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 1:56:40 P= M
Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo

----- Original Message ----

From: And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.c= om>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=

> taking some subset, those that satisfy broda.

I can't get my head round the notion of multiple referents. To my way of th= inking, the referent is the group; if one derives from that the predicate "= x is a member of the group referred to", then certainly the poi/noi distinc= tion makes sense. Hence to me, KOhA poi/noi is comparable to "li mu (ku) po= i/noi" (in which perhaps more clearly the poi/noi contrast would seem to be= vacuous).

Welcome to the club, of sorts. But do not despair; you can have your = cake and xorxes his without more than verbal befuddlement. The logic = of multiple reference and quantification is exactly the same as the logic o= f L-sets (mereology, the part-whole relationship: Lesniewski, Goodman, Leon= ard, Quine), so saying 'some brodas' or 'a bunch of brodas' works exactly t= he same way (pace Ockham).

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