From 3Gi7FSwQNBlkG8D1G8D1.FGKLJ.ELCFA21E7FF7C57IFLGJ.3FD@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Apr 13 19:53:36 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Gi7FSwQNBlkG8D1G8D1.FGKLJ.ELCFA21E7FF7C57IFLGJ.3FD@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O1sjM-0000Bz-CP; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:53:36 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf9784425qyk.1 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:53:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=4w2UXHI84G74DSri0F3KM7+2QJx1AeE3cTHxsmMZmPU=; b=xgVZwe9sOTbY2Gi7bbmO8LHZsHQRpPXWEKsOOiuuMTVou91e2hHUxIK+G78u7U9NYp N3LHHEC5HKp1hRyDQjIb5Hs5loMLVcNr6N2Mi2DegvWBBQ7Q8K+Ee/vrinTshQD4u3Cp kozToDhzzzg+OU26f9fNngyTLcQ/XOFSwcxQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=lnTmXJteDQSD47HwGTyvVD/Y/W67NFJM3Ga8cibsA8Rjzvrutf7QFFrGxZp0DFOQvL Hb2fDyvrUTqSTZa9a10ghLpyQMzv09/3IHIfip2NaiwtK9YAqoKLFzBBc1bs2DMxdBk6 quvgMcmy+horikwELsTjg+fQTwlClPICZooLE= Received: by 10.229.10.211 with SMTP id q19mr223973qcq.39.1271213594211; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:53:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.10.160 with SMTP id p32ls156449qcp.2.p; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.240.139 with SMTP id la11mr468627qcb.1.1271213591549; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.240.139 with SMTP id la11mr468626qcb.1.1271213591492; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si886261qyk.12.2010.04.13.19.53.10; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=nT04y92fg8rckuCBF7gKRMhlYwdqGk6tKF+UOdl7fjk= c=1 sm=0 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=c2viF5aT2Q2XBpSaHKwA:9 a=3FD5I42p_vI_Vm0FZnQA:7 a=wvjTI0ZJFvbAaj5ey7YCXLa88G8A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:49464] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 8E/0A-28028-51E25CB4; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:53:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B05A2B3 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:53:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:53:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4BBE188B.8070807@lojban.org> <448505.50300.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201585.79379.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <201585.79379.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201004132253.05621.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/33d26e8385fed297 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/641923b3e715422d Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 13 April 2010 17:26:17 John E Clifford wrote: > Ummm! I think that the quantifiers behave differently for 'lo' and 'loi' > 're lo ci gerku' is two of the three dogs acting individually but 're loi > ci gerku' is a bunch of two, i.e., acting still together. There's > something about fractional quantifiers as well, but I am even less sure how > that works: 'pire lo'i gerku' is maybe halves of dogs for 'lo' but, I > think, still a bunch of dogs half the original size for 'loi'. "re loi ci gerku" means six dogs, in two masses of three, each mass acting together. "pire lo'i gerku" is 1/5 of a set of dogs. li pire du li fi'umu .ije li pimu du li fi'ure. On Tuesday 13 April 2010 14:28:35 Luke Bergen wrote: > Because the {citka lo pipno} means that "eats the piano in its entirety"? > What if three cows are standing around, one of them eats a piano, and then > a second cow eats the first cow (including the piano). In this case it > would be true that {re lo ci bakni cu citka lo pipno}. Am I right? "re lo ci bakni cu citka lo pipno" does not imply that both cows eat the same piano. Neither does "re lo ci bakni cu citka pa pipno" or (if I understand xorlo right) "lo pipno cu se citka re lo ci bakni". "pa pipno cu se citka re lo ci bakni", though, does imply that the same piano was eaten by both cows. I have never heard of cows eating cows which eat pianos before. It does happen, though, that one insect eats another insect while it's eating something else. mu'omi'e .pier. -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.